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From: Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: To sum up
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On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 09:52:12 +1100, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 19/02/2025 3:59 am, Martin Harran wrote:

[...]

>> 
>> Why do you feel the need to hide your religious beliefs; why not just
>> come out and talk openly about God? That seems to me a lack of
>> confidence in your religious beliefs or at least your ability to
>> convince other people.
>
>But I have and do. I've quoted the Bible, I've given a (speculative) 
>outline of how God might have created, etc. Happy to be transparent 
>about my personal belief.



On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 09:52:12 +1100, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 19/02/2025 3:59 am, Martin Harran wrote:

[...]

>> 
>> Why do you feel the need to hide your religious beliefs; why not just
>> come out and talk openly about God? That seems to me a lack of
>> confidence in your religious beliefs or at least your ability to
>> convince other people.
>
>But I have and do. I've quoted the Bible, I've given a (speculative) 
>outline of how God might have created, etc. Happy to be transparent 
>about my personal belief.

Is this what you are referring to, from the "Ool - out at first base?"
thread ?

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On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 14:10:27 +1100, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote:

[...]

>
>God is eternally preexisting, nonmaterial, above and beyond time, 
>matter, energy, but creating and controlling these.
>
>God conceived of all created things before they came into being.
>
>God spoke and there was...spacetime, matter, energy.
>
>God created the initial low entropy state of the universe.
>
>God designed physics, the periodic table, etc, as building blocks 
>capable of being fashioned into all created things.
>
>God designed all living things and spoke them into being, either 
>directly, or indirectly through innate capacity for change and adaptation.
>
>Etc.

===========================================

That is absolutely fair as a Faith statement but "God designed"  and
God "spoke" things into existence tells us nothing about *how* God
might have created. It doesn't, for example, shed any light at all on
my question above which seemed to unsettle you so much, the one about
how you deal with other species sharing the structure of the human
brain and, in some ways, being even more complex.