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From: Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Making your mind up
Date: Fri, 03 May 2024 17:40:20 +0100
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On Thu, 2 May 2024 14:04:53 -0500, DB Cates <cates_db@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On 2024-05-02 12:46 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:

[..]

>>>
>>> My understanding of the "probabilistic nature of base reality" is that
>>> some subatomic events are truly random and can have, over the long term,
>>> gross effects and very occasionally immediate gross effects.
>>>
>> Usually more the former than the latter, but yes, I believe
>> that is correct.
>>>
>>> How does
>>> this allow for "something resembling choice"?
>>>>>
>> It would mean that the universe is not, as Newton believed
>> and as Planck disproved, "clockwork". And this in turn means
>> (to me, at least) that events are not strictly the result of
>> prior events; i.e., not fully deterministic. So if free will
>> (or choice, if you prefer) and strict determinism are the
>> only possibilities then free will, while restricted, is
>> possible.
>
>How does that possible random variation resemble 'free will' in any way? 
>What would be the restriction?

"Resemble" seems a peculiar choice of word there. ISTM that randomness
contradict determinism but neither supports nor contradicts free will.
Randomness creates options, free will decides which one we select.

Let's say I was in the shop today and decided to do a "Quick Pick" for
this weekend's lottery i.e. the numbers are selected at random by the
machine in the shop, not selected by me. Those numbers come up in the
lottery and I win a heap of money. That is a totally random event
unless someone wants to explain how it was determined that the machine
in the shop and the lottery machine both picked those numbers.

After that random event, I now have a number of choices; I could blow
the money on things I always fancied like that Ferrari and the luxury
villa in Spain; I could provide financial security for my kids; I
could support my favourite charities; I could do a mixture of those
things. Those choices are where my free will comes in.

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