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From: Rufus Ruffian <ru@ru.ru>
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Subject: Re: 2nd law clarifications
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MarkE wrote:

> On 4/01/2025 12:38 am, Rufus Ruffian wrote:

> > Again, how many joules per kelvin are consumed by the loss of
> > "information"?
> > 
> >> Does this necessarily mean entropy will increase? It would seem so.
> > 
> > No.  Entropy increases because that's what entropy does. It doesn't care
> > than remarkable life forms are constructed along the way.
> 
> Universally, of course. Locally, not necessarily. Would you agree that 
> evolution produces a local decrease in entropy?

No, because it doesn't. My whole point was that you (like most
creationists) fundamentally and perhaps deliberately misunderstand the
whole 2nd law concept. Apparently the point whooshed you.

So again, how many joules per kelvin are consumed by the loss (or gain)
of "information"?