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From: john larkin <JL@gct.com>
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Subject: Re: OT: "We're not treating this as a terrorist attack"
Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2025 12:34:07 -0800
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On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 18:37:08 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 05 Jan 2025 09:53:24 -0800, john larkin wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 11:18:16 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>> 
>>>On 1/5/2025 11:01 AM, john larkin wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 17:45:19 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 1/4/2025 5:04 PM, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 14:33:10 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/4/2025 12:20 PM, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 11:30:07 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1/4/2025 11:09 AM, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Fox News et al. generates a whole variety of fatuous nonsense
>>>>>>>>>>> and they see what gets clicks and eyeballs and what doesn't,
>>>>>>>>>>> throw shit at the wall and see what sticks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then they feed the most highly-rated nonsense to
>>>>>>>>>>> Trump/Musk/Vance et al who bring it up in their next speech or
>>>>>>>>>>> X post and the hoi polloi are like "Wow, they know what's on
>>>>>>>>>>> our minds. they really understand us!"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You sneer at the people who keep you alive. Maybe they shouldn't
>>>>>>>>>> bother.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PS: I can do my own tech support, plumbing, and car repair, and
>>>>>>>>> the overwhelming majority of Americans aren't farmers. And robots
>>>>>>>>> and migrant labor don't vote.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you generate your own electricity, pump your own water, kill
>>>>>>>> your own chickens, do your own surgery and nursing, chop your own
>>>>>>>> wood to heat your house?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Keep bees for wax and honey? We did that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are we operating under the premise that there are only
>>>>>>> conservatives in the service industry sector, and the trades?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't have much further to add to this (somewhat confusing)
>>>>>>> scenario if that's the case because I reject the premise as being
>>>>>>> silly. There are no leftists in medicine or nursing, now?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't start studying electronics seriously until my late 20s,
>>>>>>> and didn't make any money at it for years after that. I've had lots
>>>>>>> of jobs over the years, washing dishes, delivering papers, stocking
>>>>>>> shelves, tech support, sales, senior care-giving..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not sure what grudge you think I have against the "working class",
>>>>>>> I _am_ the working class!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But are you a hoi polloi ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Deplorable is is deplorable does, man. What am I supposed to tell
>>>>> people who think violent crime "is way up" when it's been going down
>>>>> for 50 years and that children are regularly getting sex changes, or
>>>>> whatever nonsense some significant fraction of citizens choose to
>>>>> believe today. "Yeah, you're right?"
>>>>>
>>>>> Plenty of very well-to-do people seem to believe the same nonsense,
>>>>> so it's not really a class-thing.
>>>> 
>>>> You invent people as targets for your need for contempt. You would
>>>> have been an ardent Nazi in the 1930's Germany. Tribal.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>also: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law>
>> 
>> Makes sense. Nazi-ism was a tribal/racial-purity movement that killed
>> maybe 100 million people and is damaging the world still.
>> 
>> Nazi Germany tolerated no dissent, like China, Russia, Cuba, North
>> Korea, Iran today.
>> 
>> None do notable electronic design. The Enlightment was good for
>> electronic design, kick started free thinking.
>
>To be fair, the Nazis did come up with some truly outstanding science in 
>the field of warfare, despite the absence of totally free thinking in most 
>other areas. Likewise, Russia has achieved wonders with its hypersonic 
>missile program. So creativity can still flourish, even under the most 
>totalitarian regimes, it seems. (Just a shame it's all for the wrong 
>purposes!)

What's the big deal about hypersonic missiles? We already have ICBMs,
which are much faster and harder to intercept.

The real revolution is warfare is millions of cheap expendable drones,
small ones on the battlefield and fighter drones in the air. We could
have a war where nobody gets hurt.

Let the russkies spend billions on hypersonics... less to spend on
things that work.