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From: John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: E-Biikes are not bicycles
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2024 20:16:32 +0700
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On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 14:18:52 +0200, Wolfgang Strobl
<news5@mystrobl.de> wrote:

>Am Thu, 26 Sep 2024 16:51:52 GMT schrieb Roger Merriman
><roger@sarlet.com>:
>
>>AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>> On 9/26/2024 9:27 AM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
>
>>>> [...] Someone who has switched from a bicycle to an
>>>> E-bike has already essentially given up on cycling, regardless of how
>>>> some clueless politicians twist the laws to treat low-powered mopeds
>>>> like bicycles.
>
>[...]
>
>
>>The E Bike means he’s not so beat up on bigger MTB rides, less the
>>endurance as he’s still fit by anyone’s standards but he doesn’t end up
>>going into the red multiple times trying to keep up with me, less the speed
>>I ride more the terrain, ie riding along the canal or old railways type
>>stuff wasn’t why he got a E bike but so he could still do 20/30 miles
>>across and up/down the mountains.
>>
>>In practice its essentially closed the gap so we’re able to do similar
>>terrain and distance, it’s only when stuff is non technical and I’m on the
>>MTB that he has to slow down and wait for me, such as coming with me up a
>>horrible road climb I wanted to do! That had a significant section holding
>>28% that was definitely type 2 fun! And yes he had to wait for me!
>
>That's essentially the definition of a motorized vehicle: it closes the
>gap between someone who has gained the ability to ride fast and wide, by
>using a bicycle with some intensity for long enough, and somebody who
>hasn't, for whatever reason (most simply by choice).   A weak person can
>ride as fast as somebody who trained his or her body for most of his or
>her life, simply by using a car or a motorcycle. Even more, a weak
>person in a better car or on a heavier powered motorcycle can easily
>outrun a strong person in a weaker automobile.
>
>
>>
>>But even then on the old tramline after on the Gravel bike I have to just
>>ease off as I can ride higher than the limiter on the flats or even false
>>flats.
>>
>>It’s not giving him Pro level of performance not by a long shot!
>
>I didn't write that an E-Bike gives anybody the performance of a TdF
>professional. Far from it. The E-Biker usually doesn't have any of the
>motor skills acquired during through long, intensive use of a real
>bicycle. 
>
>What I wrote was that the motor of an E-Bike is able to supply about as
>much additional power to a weak cyclist as a professional racer on a
>bicycle usually needs, sometimes even more. And certainly more
>endurance.

Oh! like these:
https://emountainbikekings.com/advice/fastest-electric-bike/?srsltid=AfmBOopu6k6myorzE_lzynWJHqY-gScJkZPfF3kIUTR3xrx4dngU27rY
The first one clocks in at 104 KPH
-- 
Cheers,

John B.