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From: Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: another hint of quantum consciousness
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2024 14:38:14 -0400
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On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 10:33:37 -0700, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 13:03:07 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 08:13:10 -0700, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>https://scitechdaily.com/groundbreaking-study-affirms-quantum-basis-for-consciousness-a-paradigm-shift-in-understanding-human-nature/
>>>
>>>Interesting way to define consciousness, the thing that goes away when
>>>an a general anesthetic is applied. That can be quantified.
>>
>>I wouldn't get too fired up.  The researchers are undergrads, and the
>>bit about microtubles originally came from Penrose, back before the
>>Neurocomputation field had found plausible mechanisms in vector
>>algebra over hyperdimensional parameter spaces.
>
>Undergrads and amateurs often shake up scientific dogma.

Uncommon, but certainly not unheard of.


>>Given that microtubules are very widely employed in all cells for all
>>manner of purposes, blocking microtubules does not imply that quantum
>>mechanics are or are not involved, as blocking anything that
>>fundamental is likely to affect very many things.
>>
>
>Evolution seems to use anything that works, even if scientists
>disapprove.

True, but unhelpful.  It's not enough to observe that if A is blocked,
B stops working, and therefore the mechanism is X.  There are many
mechanisms simultaneously in action.  One must methodically rule out
all but a single X to claim causality.

Joe Gwinn