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From: John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Higher Education Is Overrated
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2024 09:17:23 +0700
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On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 19:36:46 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 09:12:49 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 18:42:55 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 06:04:55 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://hbr.org/2010/07/higher-education-is-highly-ove
>>>> 
>>>> The problem is that "higher education" has come to mean "collage
>>>> education" when in fact it should be seen as  any advanced knowledge.
>>>> 
>>>> A rather vivid example is the English Bowman of the 1300's and 1400s
>>>> were able to win battles against much larger and much better equipped
>>>> French forces.The Battle of Crécy took place on 26 August 1346 between
>>>> an English army of from 7,000 to 15,000 (data was somewhat poor in
>>>> those days) was able to defeat an army of from 20,000 - 30,000 French
>>>> who were equipped with far better equipment. Loses on the English side
>>>> was in the region of 1 for every 13-15 French who were killed.
>>>> 
>>>> In the Battle of Agincourt about 100 year later 6,000 to 8,000 English
>>>> took on some 14,000?15,000 French and beat them again with about 600
>>>> English losses versus 6,000 French losses, and 600 - 2,000 captured.
>>>> 
>>>> While the difference in formal education was probably not great, among
>>>> the Gentry, the English had a program to encourage archery and boys
>>>> might start archery training as early as 10 years of age and there was
>>>> a "government program" to manufacture archery supplies, bows and
>>>> arrows.
>>>> 
>>>> By the way, for anyone that cares the "English Long Bow" might better
>>>> be called the Welch Long Bow" as it is though it originated in that
>>>> country(s).
>>> 
>>> OMG, training 10 year olds to be proficient in weapons designed to
>>> kill people. What's worse, I'll bet that they took those killer
>>> weapons home where they could be shot with them.  Blimey!  Horrors!
>> 
>> I would that the "bows" were semi custom to match the child's strength
>> so undoubtedly they took them home... And even worse,  bows are rapid
>> fire devices - 12 arrows a minute. One site says 10 - 15 arrows per
>> minute and a 30 "round magazine" :-)
>> 
>>  
>You’d need quite extensive training and experience and strength to draw a
>long bow, which is significantly heavier draw than modern or even late
>medieval bows.
>
>no original low bows exist oldest are from the Mary Rose which is 100 years
>after the Long Bows dominance and the draw of such bows is 3 times of
>modern bows or hunting bows of the time.
>
>Ie to use such a bow you’d need to devote significant effort and time.
>
>Roger Merriman

If I remember over 100 lbs draw weight. I also seem to remember that
body's were found with evidence of unusual stress having been applied
to the arm and back, said to have been archers.
-- 
Cheers,

John B.