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Path: Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-3.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 19:16:59 +0000 From: "shades@cov.net.inv" <seeu@nt.net> Subject: Re: Why does the universe go to all the bother of existing? Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics References: <67EF682D.135A@ix.netcom.com> <86a58p8lgf.fsf@example.com> <CvidnQ-_Kr5gPmv6nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 20:16:14 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:128.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/128.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <CvidnQ-_Kr5gPmv6nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <AN2dnc6sH6A292T6nZ2dnZfqn_UAAAAA@giganews.com> Lines: 33 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-75Zwwp7I9XPYfk4D6MOurTyrXHyjS1N8sSmJR+wDW5Zc1O4dlWD26LgPtjEJfjb/PptQvPXfNIP/F01!6VhTgBfuUfUuPttIw8bxIgS2AmmbguKgkwPSgrgfjD+eWkWil5ppSg3RP2H/OkSWTIuPtsW9V80= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 2696 Ross Finlayson wrote: > On 04/09/2025 07:21 AM, Richmond wrote: >> What does 'exist' mean? Why suppose that it was ever possible for >> nothing to exist? >> > > Well it can follow from consideration or contemplation/deliberation > itself: on the universal, vis-a-vis the void, that there are examples > since antiquity like 'nature abhors a vacuum', about creation and > destruction vis-a-vis conservation, that considering "nothing" is > the same as considering "everything". > > It's sort of like when a given thing, is, everything that it is not. > > > Then, this gets into things like why there's a principle of inversion > instead of a principle of (non-)contradiction, that's sort of been > a usual idea since antiquity, the principle of non-contradiction, > yet instead, a principle of inversion can see that arrive and > for reason and rationality and according to nature and reality. > > So, really it's a question to answer for yourself, where though > the usual "fundamental question of metaphysics" is "why is there > something rather than nothing", then there's quite a bit of the > canon and dogma and doctrine about it, to make inter-subjective > accounts, vis-a-vis, usual personal individual ponderings. > > > Anyways there's an idea that the universe exists simply because ----------------------------------- It exists because God created it.