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Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-4.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2025 01:17:13 +0000 Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc References: <vkjmdg$30kff$1@dont-email.me> <lto9qbFso18U3@mid.individual.net> <slrnvnegk1.2cl6d.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> <8b262a1f-507f-ef10-e4d3-a981dca5b7d1@example.net> <vl8jdq$3st6d$1@dont-email.me> <vl8jul$3sqfa$4@dont-email.me> <vl8otk$3splv$3@dont-email.me> <vl8qm7$3u6t2$1@dont-email.me> <vl93dl$3vkun$1@dont-email.me> <vl9449$3vo6h$3@dont-email.me> <vl9aov$pp7$1@dont-email.me> <vla4hr$5n4v$1@dont-email.me> <vlblqj$harb$1@dont-email.me> <ca118253-76e4-115a-72c6-5a2059d3d748@example.net> <vlecv0$13phn$3@dont-email.me> <036dd555-4c8b-1d1f-9a82-7f60087bd457@example.net> <aSEeP.276413$aTp4.31279@fx09.iad> <bbe8969c-f60b-4ace-ba43-b260aa6bc44f@example.net> From: "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> Organization: wokiesux Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2025 20:17:12 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <bbe8969c-f60b-4ace-ba43-b260aa6bc44f@example.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <ANGcnfgs4rkEHeH6nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@earthlink.com> Lines: 97 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 99.101.150.97 X-Trace: sv3-88zrvP6HjhMVrsq7GdmJuLKMrDUuqrbF7Rw2sHVIxfGh3iFjB36cSgkY7trivtNUkYw94Yf98cwifoC!GGEqy0ugs0GHIsrW2d/EdJr4lGNcXMUY8l9OV44a/3deAWQsWdA6raGLz06Vs3n1uN9ika1yGDGD!bthbgCZjZbK8YTknDKzC X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 5418 On 1/6/25 5:49 AM, D wrote: > > > On Sun, 5 Jan 2025, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2025-01-05, D <nospam@example.net> wrote: >> >>> We have achienved something no other species has done. Science. >> >> Someone once pointed out, though, that for all the great things >> science can do, it can't make the sun shine brighter or the >> rivers run faster. If our consumption continues to increase, >> sooner or later we'll hit the crunch. > > We can use things more effectively, we can build nuclear. In terms of > power we have no problem out all. This is a solved problem and only > requires political will. We ARE very wasteful - even with known-limited resources. There's mostly not enough money in 're-cycling' to make it worth it (except in 4th-world countries - oh reports are of a really good gold-recovery chemistry lately) How many neo magnets from old disk drives now reside in the bottom of landfills ? Most of those come from an ENEMY nation. I've seen pix of what Africans can do with waste plastics on a low budget (note, 4 parts sand to 1 part old jugs is best for construction bricks, found graphs somewhere). BUT, 1st world, the problems and regs and bureaucracy ruin it all. Can't get there from here. Nuke plants are good (I still like 'pebble bed' and apparently China is now into them). There's still a waste-disposal issue alas, what to do with stuff that's super-deadly for 99,000 years. Tectonics are too slow to just bag it and drop it in an ocean trench somewhere. "Better" is gonna require a SENSIBLE mix of energy technologies. No one thing can save us, but all COMBINED as best suited per-region can. And then there's the "expectations" issue ... eight BILLION all demanding a luxury 1st- world lifestyle they saw on TV. Even with better tech I just don't think that's gonna be possible for at least a century, maybe two or three. This causes DISCONTENT and lots of unpleasant POLITICS - followed by things on fire. And alas ... I don't see "AI" creating any kind of nirvana - more like rendering half the pop largely obsolete and crammed into horrible govt tenements until they rot and die . >>> Add to that the ability to plan long term, and there's nothing >>> to fear. >> >> Given the scarcity of companies that can see past the next quarter, >> I think there's quite a lot to fear. > > There are companies that are older than countries. Yea, but they mostly chose "bullet-proof" lines of biz. >>> We can even nudge asteroids out of the way, should it be necessary. >> >> Or not. See the Netflix movie _Don't Look Up_. > > Sorry, forgot that source of eternal truth. Don't think asteroid mining can make a profit, at least not until there's something beyond Newtonian propulsion - IF there's such a thing. If you wanna be useful with asteroids, divert a bunch of big icy ones towards a soft-crash into Mars. THEN we'd have a spare planet. >>> I'd argue, that we've actually far, far safer from changes in >>> climate and our surroundings than we have ever been before. >> >> Well, the rich folk are, at least. > > You can become rich too! Remember the locust protein company we've been > talking about. The idea is just sitting there for you to realize it! =D They re-named rapeseed oil and call MSG "natural flavor" and call Winders an operating system ... maybe they can de-locust powdered bug goop :-)