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Subject: Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics
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From: Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2024 12:46:38 -0700
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On 08/07/2024 06:07 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On 08/07/2024 01:22 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> Richard Hachel <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> wrote:
>>
>>> Le 07/08/2024 à 16:25, hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) a écrit :
>>>> On Wed, 7 Aug 2024 13:18:33 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 07/08/2024 à 12:09, film.art@gmail.com (JanPB) a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your biggest problem at this time is that you cannot understand the
>>>>>> explanations given to you.
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://news2.nemoweb.net/jntp?74ipUL6JcQu72w-mbGQ7BbVp7kU@jntp/Data.Media:
>>>>>
>> 1>
>>>>>
>>>>> I laughed.
>>>>>
>>>>> R.H.
>>>>
>>>> Hmm, doesn't look like a laugh.  Maybe an OMG!  Meaning, you just
>>>> realized that Jan is right.  Well, maybe a laugh would be appropriate,
>>>> too, meaning "how could I have been so wrong!"
>>>>
>>>> You come up with your D'=D.sqrt[(1+Vo/c)/(1-Vo/c)], which isn't length
>>>> contraction but Doppler shift, which is dependent on the sign of your
>>>> Vo.  LC is NOT so dependent.  It would be a VERY strange universe if
>>>> it were.
>>>
>>> You say: "it's a Doppler shift".
>>> And for sqrt(1-Vo?/c?)?
>>> Isn't it a Doppler shift?
>>> Yes, it's also a Doppler shift.
>>> This is what Hachel calls the "internal Doppler effect".
>>> Relativists call it the transverse Doppler effect, but the term is
>>> neither
>>> fair nor pretty.
>>
>> It was reasonable and fair nomenclature at the time.
>> People didn't have relativity in order,
>> and they discussed the motion of electrons in terms of variable masses.
>> They discovered that the 'longitudinal mass' and the 'transverse mass'
>> of the electron were different.
>> It seemed quite reasonable at the time to extend the notion to light,
>> because the terminology was already current,
>>
>> Jan
>>
>
> What, your sockpuppets tire out?
>
>
> According to Maxwell the field's speed is actually a bit
> greater than 3.06 x 10^8 m/s, ....
>
> Not so much tachyonic though as according to "gravity's speed"
> coming down or braking from the standing electrical field wave.
>
> "... didn't have relativity in order ...", that's rich.
>
>

Article the other day, "astonishing new laser-and-thorium setup
reduces the cloud of electron-physics and enables an entirely
new configuration of experiment, that amazingly both refines
and reduces 'what we all thought' as physical constants".

And it's like, wow, the past 30 or 40 years of CODATA doing that
on a continuous basis giving out that there are running constants
has really found a new niche, this new laser-and-thorium setup
is a really great piece of old-wrapped-as-new, or even maybe better,
a chance to unveil collective ignorance.  Well, maybe that's not
better, no-one likes to think they were fooled.