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Subject: Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control
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vallor wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Mar 2025 19:05:24 -0400, Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> wrote
> in <xxxxxx-1B0077.19052426032025@news.supernews.com>:
> 
>> In article <b2t8uj1mt9jkrvhhqrbo3i1909bmn908g9@4ax.com>,
>>   Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> You really overstepped, with this one, Winblows is far more advanced
>>> than anything Apple actually created in their OS, they borrowed BSD's
>>> brain for the hard parts.   The Apple-specific features of macOS are
>>> fairly laughable, in truth, although I can understand some people just
>>> prefer the platform, flushing money down the toilet to get it.
>>
>> So what then is Linux?   That also "borrowed Unix's brain for the hard
>> parts".
> 
> Actually, there's been some cross-pollenation between BSD and Linux,
> most notably with the networking.  Linux then took off, and left
> BSD in the dust -- they are still trying to catch up.
> 
>> The GUIs that Linux has come up with ARE laughable.   Mostly bad copies
>> of Windows.   MacOS GUI is totally unique.
> 
> That turns out not to be the case:  there are some fine desktop
> environments for Linux, which are getting easier and easier to
> configure for a user's needs.
> 
> Here is my desktop:
> 
> https://imgur.com/tvA68Ne
> 
> And before you complain about the taskbar:  it is the natural progression
> from NeXTStep and Cairo, the underpinnings of the Mac GUI.  Specifically:
> GNUStep and Cairo (on Linux).  The dock at the bottom there is Cairo dock.
> I started running it to make sure it was stable enough to put on Mrs.
> vallor's new Linux workstation, so she would have an experience similar
> to her Mac Studio.
> 
> (Some people go so far as to use a window manager theme that has the
> buttons on the left.  I think that's crazy.)
> 
> The rest of the desktop that you see is xfce4, which is lightweight
> and gets the job done.  I'm not as enamored by the pretty blinking
> lights as you might be, YMMV.
>   
>> Windows is an extremely primitive OS.   In fact, it is the only fully
>> proprietary OS remaining.   Everything else is Unix-based.   Linux,
>> Android, iOS, MacOS, Apple watches.   Linux/Unix even runs on
>> mainframes.
> 
> I'm not sure why someone would have a problem with that:  it is a
> testament to the versatility of Linux.  That's why it seems to be
> running everywhere.  It is a trusty OS.
> 
> And everyone kept complaining that Linux was "hard to use", despite
> the pain one goes through to maintain Apples and Windows machines.
> Well, fine:  now there are Chromebooks.
> 
>> Windows runs only on Windows PC.   Nothing else.  Because it is neither
>> portable nor scalable.   Unix was both from the very beginning.   Look
>> how long it has taken to get Windows running on Arm.  And it is still
>> not perfect.
>>
>> But MacOS has gone thru 3 processor changes.  PPC to Intel to Arm.   All
>> very well done.   Because Unix is scalable and portable.
> 
> Linux has support for 22 architectures by my count.  I don't
> see this as a disadvantage.
> 
>>
>> And you flush money down the toilet to buy a Windows PC and then flush
>> time down the toilet installing Linux.  What is your point?
> 
> What time?  Installing Linux doesn't have to be a trial -- in fact,
> you can do what I did, and buy a system with Linux pre-installed.
> I then went ahead and installed a different distribution on my System76
> workstation -- Linux Mint -- which only took a few minutes.
> 
> Mrs. vallor's workstation took a minute or two longer, because I shrunk
> the Windows partition on the system down to a bare minimum before
> installing Linux Mint there, also.
> 
> And another thing:  about Joel's desire for 32G of memory.  If he has
> 8 cores, and gets into building software with parallel builds, he's
> going to want at least 4G/core -- which would be 32G.  I have 32 cores w/
> hyperthreading, for a total of 64 threads, so it makes sense that I
> have a little over 256G of memory.  Again, YMMV.
> 
> And then, there's this:  besides Linux being pleasant to use
> and configure, it has sound routing capabilities that I
> couldn't duplicate on Windows.  Though controversial in some
> circles, pulseaudio does a fine job of putting the sounds I want
> where I want them.  This boosts the production quality of streams.  For
> example -- when I set it up -- my streams don't have Discord
> notification beeps playing on them.
> 
> Of course, this is light years ahead of your Mac, because there's
> no gaming on Macs to speak of...games are made for PC Windows,
> and Linux supports those through subsystems like wine and proton.
> Sometimes, the "Windows" game runs _better_ on Linux, thanks to
> tricks such as DXVK, which uses Vulkan to service the DX11 and DX12
> ABIs.
> 
> Penultimately, I wanted to mention something that I've seen in these
> advocacy groups, and that is criticizing the Linux of 5- or 10-years ago
> as if it were still like that.  That happens when people try Linux, don't
> like it, and forever affix in their minds that Linux isn't continuously
> advancing.  For example, take printing:  that use to be terrible to
> set up on Linux.  Today, it uses CUPS, the same print subsystem used
> by Macs -- and it is maintained by Apple.
> 
> And finally, it's worth noting that the lines between Linux and Windows
> have blurred a bit, because Linux is now a subsystem in Windows.  Before,
> Microsoft was trying to emulate the Linux ABI -- then they punted, and
> WSL2 is a Linux kernel running as a guest in HyperV.  So in
> conclusion:  Linux is useful, friendly, and everywhere -- even
> in Microsoft Windows.
> 
but how do you see jpegs