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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!news.dfncis.de!not-for-mail From: "Douglas Goncz A.A.S. M.E.T. 1990" <DGoncz@replikon.net> Newsgroups: sci.physics.research Subject: Re: Von Neumann cycle stationary plant details Date: 16 Sep 2024 07:03:31 GMT Lines: 88 Approved: hees@itp.uni-frankfurt.de (sci.physics.research) Message-ID: <CAOnAEVavO1MdMxd0vEEr1nqbO78r8VQSpbPCAwXYqVY3WkZT3w@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAOnAEVa8frv6DjcWyAThJG=tK6GESAKjM68zBs2FMV3t9bZnCA@mail.gmail.com> X-Trace: news.dfncis.de uIlUftB9TopuDbXYeQJEEgFryMSWsCpF8x1CrfyoKdChNF5WsEvTSkDyn9zikZjGTw Cancel-Lock: sha1:NbZ9GATAVJJdciVJQZUwad3F+Ow= sha256:2C0T8ZNaLfr9ohu7Arna/+eir21MciEr1P4LM5JwjSY= In-Reply-To: <CAOnAEVa8frv6DjcWyAThJG=tK6GESAKjM68zBs2FMV3t9bZnCA@mail.gmail.com> Bytes: 5740 > > A nearly new copy of Sorenson's book arrived just the other day. The idea is fascinating, at least to me it is. Aircraft propulsion plants are all about the highest possible combustion intensity in kilowatts or even megawatts per cubic centimeter. But then so are foundries! Why not combine the two sciences? Tonight I looked up the article on Mach diamonds. Across the plane of the Mach disc temperature increases quickly, and an awful lot, in very little space. There should be some way to wrap a Mach disc around a crucible holding recyclable steel. This would be accomplished by suitable shaping of a nozzle, a post nozzle refractory insulated area, a crucible, and even shaping the gas flow perhaps by r inserting mixers. I believe, just from what I've read about Mach diamonds, that smelting and refining steel, at least from recyclable steel, using a combination of a turbo generated high enthalpy gas flow, along with a turbo generated electric Arc, and I should mention that many of our American steel products are refined, along with a suitable supply of injectable air for the Bessemer refining step in which carbon is extracted from melt, ... Will be possible, using only coal gas or even methane is fuel, with beneficial impact on overall industrial CO2 and other types of pollution affecting that one crisis which we all share, Global warming. Cheers, Douglas On Sat, Sep 7, 2024, 00:08 Douglas Goncz A.A.S. M.E.T. 1990 <DGoncz@replikon.net> ( I ) wrote: I'm aware of Sorenson's book on gas turbines my father used it in study in > 1954. Sadly it is not in my current selection. I owned it for years .... --00000000000086cd7e062234ce1f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"auto"><div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto"><blockquote class= =3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd= ing-left:1ex"></blockquote></div><div dir=3D"auto">A nearly new copy of Sor= enson's book arrived just the other day.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><= br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The idea is fascinating, at least to me it is.</= div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Aircraft propulsion plant= s are all about the highest possible combustion intensity in kilowatts or e= ven megawatts per cubic centimeter. But then so are foundries! Why not comb= ine the two sciences?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">To= night I looked up the article on Mach diamonds. Across the plane of the Mac= h disc temperature increases quickly, and an awful lot, in very little spac= e.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">There should be= some way to wrap a Mach disc around a crucible holding recyclable steel. T= his would be accomplished by suitable shaping of a nozzle, a post nozzle re= fractory insulated area, a crucible, and even shaping the gas flow perhaps = by r inserting mixers.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"a= uto">I believe, just from what I've read about Mach diamonds, that smel= ting and refining steel, at least from recyclable steel, using a combinatio= n of a turbo generated high enthalpy gas flow, along with a turbo generated= electric Arc, and I should mention that many of our American steel product= s are refined, along with a suitable supply of injectable air for the Besse= mer refining step in which carbon is extracted from melt, ... Will be possi= ble, using only coal gas or even methane is fuel, with beneficial impact on= overall industrial CO2 and other types of pollution affecting that one cri= sis which we all share,=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"= auto">Global warming.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"au= to">Cheers,=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Dougla= s</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto">= <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Sat, Sep 7, 2024, 00:08 Douglas Goncz A.A= ..S. M.E.T. 1990 </blockquote></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div class= =3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma= rgin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><<a href=3D= "mailto:DGoncz@replikon.net">DGoncz@replikon.net</a>> ( I ) wrote:</bloc= kquote></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"= auto"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l= eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I'm aware of Sorenson's book o= n gas turbines my father used it in study in 1954. Sadly it is not in my cu= rrent selection. I owned it for years ....</blockquote></div></div> --00000000000086cd7e062234ce1f--