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Path: ...!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: "D. Goncz" <D.Goncz-A.A.S.M.E.T.-CPS-NPI1659534493@replikon.net> Newsgroups: sci.physics.research Subject: Self-replicating factories circa 1790: Granularity Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 23:11:22 PDT Lines: 86 Approved: Jonathan Thornburg [remove -color to reply]" <dr.j.thornburg@gmail-pink.com (sci.physics.research) Message-ID: <CAOnAEVbQYQPpkkQ2g6_4TJDvY7fG6o0mRWG+BBE-QeSwG1CUyg@mail.gmail.com> References: <mailman.1.1727035299.166843.machinists2-cams-club.org@lists.cams-club.org> Reply-To: D.Goncz-937-315-2684@replikon.net X-Trace: individual.net 4A9yCKVmCsi8J8SFEVBENw0BjD1LGXB5WD3iSp3p/CqPClNq1xgTAy+2S1 Cancel-Lock: sha1:2ELhJAvhR6GaJPVE0i8SGbNxLrg= sha256:ZFGPYqva5iIJXB1obXB98OQ65noDJYmSQXBhwz8sd3g= X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=2; AJvYcCUiyaiF39pnsvEDs+UAdkuEYDHHcZpQAPTSyAS0NrNUXDtGq2fYHvGHH9ZFAymg0YywrRMEFkTZwOpAkEVmFw==@gmail.com Bytes: 3924 Let's say you were a visionary in 1790 and lathes and Mills existed. We can adjust the year for when that was true. Let's say you liked math and knew that a lathe was a cylindrical coordinate system and the milling machine was a rectangular coordinate system. Let's say you liked machines enough to want to reproduce an entire factory, a very small factory, consisting of one mill and one lathe So you sat and thought about it for 45 years which is what I did No really.... I did I came up with this If every egg has a nest And every nest is made of sticks Then The birds won't die And we will be eating omelettes What that means is that each machine has a work envelope let's say a lathe with an 8x20 work envelope. And that if you make the sticks the right size, which means if you apply a granularity of say 10 or say 100 to the work envelope of all the machines including that lathe, you find that the lathe can make 100 parts each of which has an aspect ratio dependent on the granule selected but every one of which fits in the overall work envelope. Likewise a Mill would be capable of making a thousand parts each of which fits in the overall working envelope and each of which is more or less distinct from all the others. So for your project You have 1,100 parts you can make basically Well the rest is pretty simple Aside from the really big frame parts which are made a different way You just inventory all the parts in both of your machines and if the answer is less than 1,100 parts you're pretty much good to go. Isn't that nifty? Well It gets really nifty They're actually 13 orthogonal coordinate systems So theoretically there are 13 distinct types of machine tools it's all theory anyhow So if each of them has a granularity of 10 on each of the three axes With 13 actual tools in an actual factory you would be able to count to 13,000 and that would be your inventory of parts to make those machines from or rather remake them after you started with some model machines That's nifty It's even more nifty Did you notice that on the lathe it didn't make a thousand different parts? That's because it is so unusual to apply granularity to the alpha coordinate in a cylindrical coordinate system that we just leave that one out all together. Any kind of cylinder with a wedge removed from it, or any kind of wedge with a cylindrical outer surface would be candidate part for going back to including that coordinate. Likewise each of the many orthogonal systems has axes on which a granularity of 10 multiplies neatly and other axes on which a granularity of 10 would be pretty much inappropriate. So Since it is possible for each egg to have a nest And we can choose the sticks we use A self reproducing factory Which is non-trivial And nearly universal Is indeed possible, And I think we should build one soon. Cheers, Douglas