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Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.brightview.co.uk!news.brightview.co.uk.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 May 2024 01:28:31 +0000 Subject: Re: Another Halting Problem Question (very difficult) Newsgroups: comp.theory References: <e59d06e61850db2c77d1a784abce13dc84067079.camel@gmail.com> <19b48c13e1abe0c0c68ece8114535d43a771cd3c.camel@gmail.com> <47d52c4babb83d32286f6bf597b415151d3e4fda.camel@gmail.com> <1f231ededa977e799945496518d7aa8e2f7efc4a.camel@gmail.com> From: Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> Date: Wed, 29 May 2024 02:28:31 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1f231ededa977e799945496518d7aa8e2f7efc4a.camel@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <DO2dnck8JrFdGcv7nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> Lines: 20 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-8Szz3aZh9p6TdP41AY9DNHJNZ40N2GMKJHofl/gtfB3tWbPiBaJ3YDUw2IUELFYHZDhqzr4/sAx9jc7!bBZpxi33u9RpWFDntFla9PqLlBRBaFIW+hKtm1yCP/TYPc7SEARyf5ss5RNKxhB8qNJWnKLbPOIZ!dmuAuqbCL3C15br9tF0+AIMfE50p X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 2124 On 29/05/2024 01:31, wij wrote: [..snip..] > > Revision: > Does there exist a decision function sat that determines whether or not a > terminating function bool f() (given as the argument of sat) returns true or > not? IOW, sat(f)==true iff f()==true. > Yes. A UTM meets your requirement, given that the input domain is limited to terminating functions f(). > Is Rice's theorem (or GUR if you like) refuted? > No. You may be thinking that identifying functions that return true is identifying a "semantic property of functions" as required for Rice. But your requirement above is restricted to a domain containing only halting programs, so does not match Rice's theorem requirements. Mike.