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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!pasdenom.info!from-devjntp Message-ID: <DSsi9L0M1oTRAKCwCD51ban-egM@jntp> JNTP-Route: news2.nemoweb.net JNTP-DataType: Article Subject: Re: how References: <qHqKnNhkFFpow5Tl3Eiz12-8JEI@jntp> <5586eba6-390d-47a6-af25-4b07f5271dc3@att.net> <biFi8aQHIMjIs64k3a8kkV3KdLk@jntp> <9584f51f-5d90-4270-b763-b5102b2d6e2f@att.net> <c5nt_X4GRzeUKv4RApoGfvFekYA@jntp> <bce18c90-b93c-4180-ac9c-1c4b06a49db2@att.net> <y1MuKXNQMp9U2J4ZEodQBVA8s38@jntp> <6350e436-cfa4-427d-989e-1b0d42814aae@att.net> <gPIb8gJTMEpIMJaytuQuxV6869U@jntp> <673764b9-69b9-41a2-ab82-bf90d8dee8e8@att.net> Newsgroups: sci.math JNTP-HashClient: _XUlUZqGB9qml1bT_DSWxA-Q49A JNTP-ThreadID: 4YLc1knY-8u5i_KQ0oWqy89D7aY JNTP-Uri: http://news2.nemoweb.net/?DataID=DSsi9L0M1oTRAKCwCD51ban-egM@jntp User-Agent: Nemo/0.999a JNTP-OriginServer: news2.nemoweb.net Date: Mon, 03 Jun 24 19:50:17 +0000 Organization: Nemoweb JNTP-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/125.0.0.0 Safari/537.36 Injection-Info: news2.nemoweb.net; posting-host="25d5a506365fc8262443ce1bd287e5d0233c1bef"; logging-data="2024-06-03T19:50:17Z/8886787"; posting-account="217@news2.nemoweb.net"; mail-complaints-to="julien.arlandis@gmail.com" JNTP-ProtocolVersion: 0.21.1 JNTP-Server: PhpNemoServer/0.94.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-JNTP-JsonNewsGateway: 0.96 From: WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> Bytes: 3907 Lines: 78 Le 03/06/2024 à 20:34, Jim Burns a écrit : > On 6/3/2024 7:58 AM, WM wrote: >> Le 03/06/2024 à 10:57, Jim Burns a écrit : > >>> ⎜ ∀ᴿ⁺y ∃ᴿ⁺x≠y: x<y implies >>> ⎝ ∃ᴿ⁺x ∀ᴿ⁺y≠xv : x<y >> >> No this is not implied but >> independently proven in Evidence for Dark Numbers, >> prepublished chapter 4.2: >> >> We assume that >> all points on the [positive] real axis are fixed and >> can be subdivided into two sets, namely >> the set of unit fractions and >> the set of positive non-unit fractions. > > 2. > Or we can assume instead that > ℕ⁺ holds all.and.only numbers countable.to by.1 from.0 > ℚ⁺ holds all.and.only ratios of numbers in ℕ⁺ > Under assumption (2.) > [A] and [B] are provable for all of ⅟ℕ and ℝ⁺\⅟ℕ Hence assumption (2) contradicts logic. Only one of the two complementary sets can and must contain the first point. > >> If A is true for dark numbers too, >> then there is a positive non-unit fraction >> smaller than all unit fractions. > > Equivalent to: > If there is no positive non.unit.fraction > smaller than all unit fraction, > then A is false for darkᵂᴹ numbers too > > And then, by (2.), no darkᵂᴹ numbers are in ℝ⁺\⅟ℕ > >> If B is true for dark numbers too, >> then there is a unit fraction >> smaller than all positive non-unit fractions. > > Equivalent to: > If there is no unit fraction > smaller than all positive non.unit.fractions, > then B is false for darkᵂᴹ numbers too > > And then, by (2.), no darkᵂᴹ numbers are in ⅟ℕ No logic is admitted. > >> There is only one objection: > > Versions of ℕ⁺ ℚ⁺ and ℝ⁺ which hold darkᵂᴹ numbers > are provably not the (2.) version. > > Whatever is proved or claimed or hallucinated about > some other version is not a claim about > the (2.) version. It contains no logic. > >> Not all subsets of unit fractions or >> of non-unit fractions have two ends. > > Pick a non.two.ended subset. 'Bye, Bob. > >> But this is dismissed by the fact that >> the positive real axis and all point sets in it >> have an end at or before zero. > > You're too late. Bob's gone. Not in a mathematics based upon logic. Regards, WM