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Subject: Re: How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations? When: A. He
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From: Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2024 21:58:03 -0800
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On 12/31/2024 09:47 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On 12/31/2024 12:33 PM, Richard Hachel wrote:
>> Le 31/12/2024 à 21:06, Ross Finlayson a écrit :
>>> On 12/31/2024 12:16 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>> rhertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 15:06:47 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 11:50:23 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When:
>>>>>>>>> A. He admitted having little math and no ability in non-Euclidean
>>>>>>>>> geometry.
>>>>>>>>> B. He always relied on someone else to do his math.
>>>>>>>>> C. He denied getting it from Hilbert.
>>>>>>>>> D. He never said who he got it from.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Answer:
>>>>>>>>> He stole them from Hilbert.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hilbert disagreed,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>> Here are two other versions of the quote;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
>>>>>>> Einstein. But the equations are his."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   "Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
>>>>>>> four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that,
>>>>>>> Einstein
>>>>>>> did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>> that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations
>>>>>>> because he
>>>>>>> could not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
>>>>>> Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
>>>>>> for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
>>>>>> despite their superior technical skills.
>>>>>> Hilbert goes on to state that:
>>>>>> In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
>>>>>> ====
>>>>>> On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
>>>>>> corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
>>>>>> (So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
>>>>>> mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
>>>>>> personally)
>>>>>> ====
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
>>>>>> if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
>>>>>> who had just stolen his results.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You had better forget about all this.
>>>>>> You are wrong about it, period.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>
>>>>> Stop talking idiocies,
>>>>
>>>> [snip abuse, and new irrelevancies]
>>>>
>>>> Do you deny that the text I quoted is in the reference you gave?
>>>>
>>>> Jan
>>>>
>>>
>>> In Huerter's book "Too Big for a Single Mind"
>>> he says that Hilbert was always saying that
>>> he came up with these before Einstein did.
>>>
>>> He relays they were on friendly terms,
>>> after quite a spat, about it.
>>>
>>> Yet, at least some sources say Hilbert was first.
>>
>> The time will come when people will say, when Einstein was seven years
>> old, he already knew all the equations of geometry in 26 dimensions.
>>
>> And they will say: "At 12, he taught Hilbert, and Gross how to calculate
>> the horizon of the black hole in an eighty-dimensional universe".
>>
>> Don't laugh, friends.
>>
>> You don't know yet the depth of human stupidity.
>>
>> R.H.
>
>
> One way to look at it is that Einstein is mostly the outside,
> that inside physics, you basically mentally remove Einstein,
> then instead see all the giants that built him.
>
> For Einstein this is:
> make a mental model,
> of a model philosopher's,
> model physicist.
>
> The philosopher does the thinking -
> the physicist just computes.
>
> So, let the public have their model physicist
> or model philosopher, Einstein, since
> familiarity breeds contempt.
>
>
> Anybody's perspectives are through a lens,
> their lens, Huerter's for example, some of
> it is "that's biographical and attempts to
> relate to the concepts and furthermore second-guess
> what people were thinking", then sometimes that
> comes across as a tid-bit of information then a
> tid-bit of mis-information, that gullible readers
> thusly get primed to believe some information because
> "why would he not" then some mis-information or
> opinion, why, biography's opinionated, thus biased.
>
> Like the old tape-worm joke, ....
>
>
> Einstein's theory of relativity itself ends up
> not saying much at all, then all the various
> empirical things associated, like "predicted this"
> or "predicted that", pretty much have always that
> "the mathematics of singularity theory at the
> ends is what does all that, and,
> singularities in singularity theories
> are multiplicities in multiplicity theory".
>
> Anyways, anybody who says "Einstein says"
> pretty much does not know. Yet, it is the
> most usual explanation for relativistic effects
> like space contraction. And, both "cosmological
> constant", in the gravitational equations,
> which is a mathematical infinitesimal in the real,
> and, "mass-energy equivalency", are, ..., so, ...,
> or Einstein's "greatest blunder" the cosmological
> constant is about also his greatest contribution,
> to the physics, while his tireless application and
> wide research helped bring together and simplify
> very much, a usual abstraction of concern.
>
>
>
>
>
>

"Familiarity breeds contempt" means that
nosy gossips eventually hate everyone around
them, who when they find out, hate them, too.

So, it's easier to have some respect, by keeping some.

It's like, if you think people are bad, maybe you are,
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