Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.bofh.team!news.nntp4.net!pasdenom.info!from-devjntp
Message-ID: <EKl3K4t_o-zL9DFltVxf6uukWKU@jntp>
JNTP-Route: nemoweb.net
JNTP-DataType: Article
Subject: Re: The puzzle science is solving
References: <18028c43ae3207f6$154608$936536$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <29b2833796a5e458d9a73af6b0c42bed@www.novabbs.com>
 <oQr_EXdbPn0FCtPjv5NJ8GBqQtI@jntp> <1802a86653504235$206958$936536$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com>
 <KZhMQORhgUvz_-5HcU9N2EfLhl4@jntp> <1802ae069b7f9ad9$232057$945036$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com>
 <a3X07_NwSUb1VZMr9_XWO3c_qPc@jntp> <1802ba1286812ff2$242600$958250$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com>
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
JNTP-HashClient: 4aBKMFR2bPSk4gLaJy5OPfkqM3U
JNTP-ThreadID: 18028c43ae3207f6$154608$936536$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com
JNTP-Uri: https://www.nemoweb.net/?DataID=EKl3K4t_o-zL9DFltVxf6uukWKU@jntp
User-Agent: Nemo/1.0
JNTP-OriginServer: nemoweb.net
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 24 21:41:14 +0000
Organization: Nemoweb
JNTP-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:109.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/115.0
Injection-Info: nemoweb.net; posting-host="093ce991d431b4e97f56ba97ef7875a292faca35"; logging-data="2024-10-28T21:41:14Z/9078658"; posting-account="190@nemoweb.net"; mail-complaints-to="julien.arlandis@gmail.com"
JNTP-ProtocolVersion: 0.21.1
JNTP-Server: PhpNemoServer/0.94.5
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-JNTP-JsonNewsGateway: 0.96
From: Python <python@not-formail.invalid>
Bytes: 5338
Lines: 105

Le 28/10/2024 à 22:09, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> W dniu 28.10.2024 o 21:05, Python pisze:
>> Le 28/10/2024 à 18:29, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>> W dniu 28.10.2024 o 17:14, Python pisze:
>>>> Le 28/10/2024 à 16:46, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>>> W dniu 28.10.2024 o 15:07, Python pisze:
>>>>>> Le 28/10/2024 à 13:05, hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) a écrit :
>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 7:10:30 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is not "how things really are".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is "which word sequences are good ones".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I disagree.  Humans build maps of reality.
>>>>>>> They're called scientific theories.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If "word sequences that are good ones" means that de-compiled forms 
>>>>>> of the programs we have in our brains i.e. logic, maths and physics 
>>>>>> (for instance) are matching the actual programs that are correct
>>>>>
>>>>> But there is no one-and-unique "correct".
>>>>> There are just local optimums, and they're
>>>>> floating (what is good now doesn't have to be
>>>>> good in 100 years).
>>>>
>>>> We could agree on that. Rather than local optimums I would say that 
>>>> they are more complete "High level" implementations of the "machine 
>>>> language" in your brains.
>>>
>>> Bigger and more powerful software doesn't mean
>>> "more complete". It's just bigger and more
>>> powerful.
>> 
>> Krivine (and his team) views are not about software per se.
>> it is an analogy between programs in our brains (low level
>> "programmed" by evolution) and logic/math/physics as "decompiled" by 
>> humans from their own introspection.
> 
> 
> So, there is no reason to care about their views.
> Introspection? Of - what? Apart of a human brain
> nothing deals with words, neither mathematical
> way nor any other way.
> 
> 
>>> And so is our knowledge - compared
>>> to the knowledge of our ancestors. There is
>>> no "complete" state it's targetting.
>> 
>> Sure. Krivine makes fun of physicists looking for the "theory
>> of everything" or "the language of God".
>> 
>>>>>> (because evolution made sur they do)
>>>>>
>>>>> In some centuries  [SR] will be
>>>>> only remembered as an antipattern of "how
>>>>> and why you should never make a scientific
>>>>> theory or any description of anything".
>>>>
>>>> Your mistake is to deny that SR, as well as NM, are fitting very well 
>>>> with this line of thinking.
>>>
>>> So is marxism-leninism.
>> 
>> I do think so too. But I'm marxist :-)
>> 
>>> At least - as long as
>>> its enthusiasts are evaluating that. But none
>>> of your idiot gurus had any real knowledge
>>> about the process of putting words together.
>> 
>> Then you're going to abuse and off-track idiotic rant, again.
>> Preventing any kind of communication with others.
> 
> 
> It's for sure nothing  but some idiotic rant to
> suggest that your bunch of idiots doesn't know
> everythibg about everything.
> For sure, suggesting there is something you don't
> know - immediately  prevents any kind of communication
> with you.

You didn't suggest that there is something I don't know. What the Hell are 
you talking about ?

> That's how the  DK effect works.
> 
>> 
>> You seem to have decided at some point in your life that everyone
>> on Earth were producing non-sense except you 
> 
> What you're projecting at me is exactly what The
> Shit has taught yourself and your fellow idiots.

So Humanity is a plot against Maciej Wozniak ? LOL!!!

> But, no, the followers of The Shit are   no way
> "everyone except me".

Oh ! Name a few that follows your views on SR (and the rest of Physics) ? 
Name one.