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Subject: Re: Humans can't observe time. Even less, the pass of time. Science
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 18:38:48 -0700
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On 04/28/2025 06:06 PM, rhertz wrote:
> Using on-the-shelf electronics, you can have AN IDEA about the flow of
> time.
>
> The human vision system has developed a sense of "real motion", if every
> "picture" captured by our eyes in a film, is presented at a minimal rate
> of 24 frames/sec. This means one frame about every 41.6 msec.
>
> If I place a camera far away from me, so it can capture my walk from 10
> meters away, and film myself for (say) 10 seconds, I've captured
> sequences of the flow of time, each one 41.6 msec ahead of the former
> instance.
>
> If I use any advanced camera that can repeat the sequence, but at a rate
> of 100 fps, I can now observe the flow of time every 10 msec.
>
> Now, if I display in a single picture every captured frame (at 24 or 100
> fps), I really can observe THE PAST FLOW OF TIME with different
> resolution between instances.
>
>
> I could refine this using 500 fps, 1000 fps, etc. And that is THE BEST
> AND ONLY WAY TO OBSERVE THE PASS OF TIME, but happening in the past.
>
>
> The only way that humans can observe the pass of time IS IF THEY CAN
> STORE AND REMEMBER EVERY INSTANCE, as a camera does. As this thing is
> IMPOSSIBLE, humans CAN'T OBSERVE THE PASS OF TIME in real time, as we
> don't have embedded enough visual processing power and associated
> memory.
>
> So, WE CAN'T FEEL TIME NOR WE CAN OBSERVE THE FLOW OF TIME. No living
> specie can.
>
> Science is an illusion, so you are forced to believe (films,
> oscilloscopes, graph from experiments, etc.).
>
> But how do you know that such past events WERE REAL?


What you need is a mental model of mathematical continuity.

Otherwise what you get there are paradoxes of motion, that
in merely inductive half accounts that stymy themselves,
are not true about the elements of motion, mathematically.

So, a usual sort of instrumentalist/observationalist physicist's
after a sort of nominalist logicist's has only physical stimuli
of physical senses, or, correspondingly the sampling apparatus
of the instrumentalist, with regards to observer/detector.

There's though that a realist can have, besides the usual senses
touch/sight/hearing and instruments of a stopwatch and a meterstick,
these "noumenological senses" that are _mathematical_, an object-sense
of a number-sense and a word-sense of a continuum-sense and thusly,
a "sense of time".


The philosophy of physics has a lot going on about "realist"
positions like these, when "nominalist instrumentalist" positions
have gone all anti-realist, the things like "particle spaces"
and "discontinuous time" are antinomies.


Then, sampling, measurement, and observation, as with regards
to a great conversation here one time "i am a measure-man",
has that time as a continuous quantity goes into the theory,
then it solves these problems you have that others need not have.