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On 12/24/24 9:26 AM, D wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, 24 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> 
>> On 12/23/24 4:21 PM, D wrote:
>>> As part of my christmas tradition, I always upgrade my linux when the 
>>> holiday starts. The reason is that if something goes wrong, I have a 
>>> long time to fix it, without anything work related getting in the way.
>>>
>>> Every year, I am equally surprised when things just work. I move my 
>>> dot files, and all application are there, with the settings I'm used to.
>>>
>>> Even my compiled programs such as alpine, leafnode and possibly one 
>>> or two more, and my python invoicing application, could just be moved 
>>> and worked right away.
>>>
>>> So the upgrade took me 45 minutes, and the only modification I needed 
>>> to do was to update my midnight commander config file, because 
>>> apparently someone in the project decided on a new config format 
>>> between version 3 and version 4.
>>>
>>> Impressive!
>>
>>
>>  What ? WHAT ??? An actual LINUX question ???!!!  :-)
> 
> Apologies!
> 
>>  Me, I just generally avoid serious kernel upgrades ...
>>  just the usual auto-upgrades until I feel it's time
>>  to jump up two or three whole distro versions. It's
>>  only 'home use' now, so I'm not so worried about
>>  Vlad and Xi.
> 
> Same here + the company web server, but it only has two ports open to 
> the net, so nothing to worry about there.
> 
> Then I have my colleague who runs some hosting, and I actually have no 
> idea what he runs. Since he is responsible, he gets free choice as long 
> as it's not windows or kubernetes, and those rules he has followed.

   Linux is pretty damned secure - so keeping up with
   the very latest updates (unless it's a busy busy
   outward-facing server) is usually not so critical.
   Kernel 6.x has some added goodies over 4.x, but
   it's not THAT much "improved".

>>  Alas most of my stuff is Deb based, and WORM was
>>  NOT encouraging - too 'Canonical' now. DO have
>>  some Arch/Fedora based boxes though ... may just
>>  go straight Fedora for awhile ........
>>
>>  DID love OpenSUSE - but now it's kinda trapped in
>>  the IBM/RHEL vortex. Don't wanna be an unpaid
>>  beta-tester for IBM.
> 
> Yes, opensuse has served me well for at least a decade if not more. But 
> I've heard rumours they will stop with the leap distribution and do some 
> kind of rootless, or rolling release stuff _only_. I do not like it! I 
> want stability and not sand shifting under my feet.

   There's much to be said for solid 'releases'.

   "Rolling" WORKS of course, but it subtly alters the
   landscape over short time-scales. Updates also use
   a lot of bandwidth - almost the entire distro - for
   even the smallest additions.

   DID get Tumbleweed to work on a Pi4 ... but it
   wasn't very snappy even using lighter desktops.

> So if/when they disappear, I'm looking at FreeBSD to replace it, 
> alternatively possibly debian or slckware. We'll see!

   FreeBSD ain't terrible. Depends on your needs however.
   One of my biggest gripes with the BSDs is that their
   drivers tend to be YEARS behind.

   Despite bragging, never really got OpenBSD to install
   super-clean. It's also kinda too security anal. For
   SOME applications though that may be good.

   DragonFly is OK ... forked from Free4 ... has its own
   odd file system however.

   You MIGHT want to look at OpenIndiana. Again a bit
   odd, but it works.

   In any case, Linux is NOT the alpha and omega of *IX
   systems.