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On 11/26/24 4:12 AM, D wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, 25 Nov 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> 
>> On 11/25/24 4:56 AM, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 25 Nov 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/24/24 7:36 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 19:35:57 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Do kinda pref "{ }" or "begin end" over the dangling depth thing ...
>>>>>> get six or eight levels into something and it's a total bitch to spot
>>>>>> what's inside what without using comments.
>>>>>
>>>>> So use the comments. That’s what I do.
>>>>
>>>>  Only good way ...
>>>>
>>>>  Not a killer, but kinda annoying. The eye doesn't
>>>>  spot indents nearly was well as hard delimiters.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You can have indents _and_ delimiters for the ultimate in eye 
>>> spotting capability! ;)
>>
>>  As I said to Larry, I almost always use just 2-space
>>  indents so deeply-nested stuff doesn't tend to run
>>  off the page margin. Object langs make this even worse
>>  with all the something.something.something.something
>>  sorts of lines.
>>
>>  SOME of the IDEs for Python KINDA help, can spot
>>  nestings fairly well, but I mostly just use nano
>>  in one terminal and do test runs from another.
>>  Something like PyCharm or Visual are kinda overkill
>>  most of the time.
>>
> 
> I use four, but since worked as a systems administrator (or what today 
> be called "devops") I never wrote any programs large enough, or 
> complicated enough, to run out of line space.

   My last big Python app was about 450 lines of code - and
   it had LOTS of option switches (TOO many!). Things got
   nested really deep sometimes.

   Shrank that to about 250 lines of Pascal (the re-think
   plus leaving out the options even I never used).

> This is what I do not like about power shell. Some of the commands are 
> way too long to type. I like ls, df, du & co! It would be horrible to 
> have to type list_files every time.

   I kinda have to admit, or brag, that I never used PowerShell.

   But yea, shortish generally IS a lot better. Longish is
   one reason I hate JS, and then there was COBOL  :-)

   Haven't done a COBOL app for a long time ... I'll have
   to do something ... found a COBOL IDE of sorts somewhere ...
   ah, OpenCobolIDE (a PyPy pgm).