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On May 7, 2024 at 3:03:18 PM PDT, "Robin Miller"
<robin.miller@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> BTR1701 wrote:
>>  In article
>>  <1647836400.736806466.284585.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
>>    anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>  
>>>  Yes, our beloved Robin has viciously thrashed Ian once again, beating him
>>>  to this fantastic news!
>>> 
>>>  https://deadline.com/2024/05/ncis-tony-ziva-spinoff-series-title-1235907546/
>>> 
>>>  NCIS TONY & ZIVA Spinoff Series Gets Official Title
>>> 
>>>  By Nellie Andreeva
>>>  May 7, 2024 10:34am
>>> 
>>>  Paramount's Tony & Ziva NCIS spinoff is untitled no more. The two stars of
>>>  the Europe-set series, Michael Weatherly and Cote de Pablo, got on Zoom to
>>>  unveil the moniker of the offshoot Tuesday.
>>> 
>>>  After referencing a couple of titles that had been floated, NCIS: EUROPE
>>>  and NCIS: TRUS NO ONE, the duo announced that the official title of their
>>>  new show will be NCIS: TONY & ZIVA.
>>> 
>>>  "It makes it really easy because the fans will know exactly what the show
>>>  is. It's about Tony and Ziva in Europe," de Pablo said.
>>  
>>  Which, much like FBI: INTERNATIONAL will be absolutely ridiculous from
>>  top to bottom, with American law enforcement running around Europe
>>  shooting guns and kicking in people's doors and arresting Europeans on
>>  their own soil.
>>  
>>  I mean, imagine the reverse: would we put up with even our closest
>>  allies sending armed police onto our streets, physically arresting our
>>  citizens or storming their homes? Not for one goddam second would we
>>  tolerate that.
>>  
>>  But that's exactly what happens on the FBI show, and now this NCIS show
>>  will certainly be much of the same. FBI agents kicking in doors in
>>  France and tackling French citizens to the ground and handcuffing them.
>>  Oh, and I forgot about ordering the local police around like the FBI is
>>  their boss. That one's always good for a belly laugh. FBI aren't even
>>  allowed to carry guns in Europe. I had a friend in the Bureau who was
>>  assigned as legat in Madrid and he had to fly to DC three times a year
>>  to qualify on his pistol since it wasn't legal for him as a foreign
>>  national to possess a firearm on Spanish soil even just to qualify on a
>>  range.
>>  
>>  Of course the producers have to completely ignore reality if they want
>>  to make an international police show because reality would be extremely
>>  boring and would have the stars of the show doing nothing but standing
>>  around watching while the local police did all the exciting stuff.
>>  
>>  That's exactly what it was like for me when I would work foreign
>>  presidential visits. On a visit to Germany, some guy in Berlin started
>>  making threats to the president on the Facebook and DC tracked him down
>>  easily enough, got his name, address, personal history, etc. and then
>>  told me to go interview him. Not arrest him, just talk to him. And I
>>  wasn't even allowed to do that. The Berlin polizei took all the info we
>>  had, went and picked him up and did the interview themselves. I was only
>>  allowed to submit questions for them to ask, then watch from outside the
>>  room as they conducted the interview. In the end, they determined what
>>  he'd said didn't violate German law, so they released him. And that was
>>  the extent of what I was allowed to do. And no, I wasn't allowed to walk
>>  around armed, either. They allowed us to carry our pistols (but not
>>  handcuffs) on the day of the actual visit, but for the two weeks ahead
>>  of the visit while we there doing the advance work, no guns were allowed.
>>  
>>  Like I said, makes for a boring TV show.
>>  
>>  (There were times when we the locals wouldn't allow us to be armed at
>>  all and the security environment was such that we weren't going to take
>>  no for answer. On a visit to Mexico with Bush, the Mexicans wouldn't
>>  allow any firearms, so DC flew in a package with every agent's
>>  diplomatic passport and handed our guns out to us on the day of the
>>  visit. That way we'd be armed but if any Mexican cop or official tried
>>  to jam up an agent, he'd have diplomatic immunity and the worst they
>>  could do would be to kick him out of the country.)
>>  
> Yes, but don't most shows try to explain that by saying that the US 
> agents are working for or with either Interpol or the national police 
> force of the country they're in?

(1) Interpol isn't actually a law enforcement agency. Despite what you see in
movies and TV shows, it doesn't have officers or agents who go out and work
cases and arrest people for crimes. It's an information clearinghouse that
facilitates communication among law enforcement in various countries. That's
it.

(2) Yes, if the French government, for example, wanted to give FBI agents the
ability to run around Paris armed with the authority to arrest French
citizens, it *could* do that but no country ever *will* do that. It would be a
gross insult to their national sovereignty and, depending on the country, a
violation of their citizens' rights.

As I pointed out above, the American government would never allow the police
from a foreign country to make arrests on the streets of Chicago or Miami or
L.A. And even if they did, I as a citizen am not obligated to obey some German
or Polish cop who comes knocking on my door. They would have no authority over
me.