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Path: ...!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-3.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2025 01:51:43 +0000 Subject: Re: Expansion and Inflation and Dark Energy and Redshift-Bias-Removal Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity References: <8aicnSk_nvT6ifL6nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com> <eb76c4cc1374d0d0780e4c2be5307dfd@www.novabbs.com> <l8idnTi3SPpD6vL6nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> <065b4a2606678921a2a71f51718f08ec@www.novabbs.com> <mOudnabOQqDUDvL6nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> From: Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2025 18:51:16 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <mOudnabOQqDUDvL6nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <J8ecndXhTZctJmD6nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> Lines: 199 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-zbxhpw6/48Rjszh8Y/oi5BByFXw5SMPeU6VBnSH8NtOG2KQ44r8o9/V1XQWRpcc6YDZVm7VQc+gZLwT!eobpoEhIuQ+d0dv7MmycJ9frHdzqFnLdqkjieGRArGD786WFLwv5wJcOKzFPcWj3YZxZCbODdyg= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 10534 On 12/27/2024 09:57 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: > On 12/27/2024 08:26 PM, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote: >> On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 4:00:29 +0000, Ross Finlayson wrote: >> >>> On 12/27/2024 07:33 PM, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote: >>>> On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 20:56:14 +0000, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Expansion and Inflation and Dark Energy and Redshift Bias Removal >>>>> >>>>> If you've been following along, for about a hundred and >>>>> more years since Hubble there was observed a sort of >>>>> red-shift bias, meaning distant galaxies appear to >>>>> demonstrate a red-shift which according to Doppler >>>>> means they recede, and that given the theory of >>>>> stellar formation and pulsation, and the theory of >>>>> hydrogen lines and standard candles, then it was >>>>> really well figured out and quite tuned the theory, >>>>> to arrive at estimates like the age of the universe, >>>>> from taking averages and extrapolating backwards, >>>>> and the Expansionary making for the Inflationary >>>>> and making a very sensible theory called Big Bang. >>>>> >>>>> So, over time, then science found that there wasn't >>>>> enough energy to explain all the receding. Much like >>>>> science couldn't explain why galaxies like free-rotating >>>>> platters weren't flying apart and thus had to add >>>>> Dark Matter or not luminous matter to explain how >>>>> gravity, which also isn't really a theory in those days, >>>>> then for energy there's Dark Energy, enough to >>>>> explain why things appear to be falling apart in >>>>> the large, while holding together in the close. >>>>> >>>>> Over time, then these non-scientific non-explanations, >>>>> mute matter say or false energy, well they started to >>>>> grow more and more, until at some point it was >>>>> reached "out non-scientific non-explanations now >>>>> dominate the theory so obviously our theory is wrong". >>>>> >>>>> That is to say, ever since Dark Matter and Dark Energy >>>>> were in the theory, it's _not_ the theory, of that without. >>>>> >>>>> Now, when talking about Dark Matter and Dark Energy, >>>>> it's not to be read as about ethnicity, while of course >>>>> human beings have ethnicities and that, just saying, >>>>> when we say Dark Matter and Dark Energy, it's exactly >>>>> the non-luminous, so un-detectable, matter, and, >>>>> energy with same idea, non-observable non-scientific. >>>>> So, that's just saying that the reasons why theory >>>>> want to explain Dark Matter and Dark Energy as >>>>> having reasons why their role in the theory is >>>>> according to something else in the theory, >>>>> is like so. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So, red-shift bias is the idea "well what if all along >>>>> the measurements get a red-shift _bias_ and we >>>>> thought it was plain straight Doppler yet really >>>>> it's something else", about Dark Energy. (Then, >>>>> for Dark Matter it's actually a matter of mechanics, >>>>> and so free rotating frames explain via a true >>>>> centrifugal why it's to be explained what makes >>>>> the role of Dark Matter in theories that are >>>>> otherwise quite thoroughly broken because >>>>> they don't have any way to say what it is.) So, >>>>> the Dark Energy, then, if red-shift bias is explainable >>>>> because it's more about "Fresnel and large lensing" >>>>> and not about ideas like "tired light" or "lumpy space-time", >>>>> or these other strange and sometimes bizaare >>>>> non-scientific non-explanations, where red-shift >>>>> bias is explainable, and removable, then: the >>>>> premier theories of the day can be much better. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So, since 2MASS, and, the discovery of LaniaKea, >>>>> and, particularly since JWST, and soon with the >>>>> Nancy Roman if that makes it, all these latest >>>>> additions to the sky survey, also have in other >>>>> spectra, _much, much, much_ less red-shift bias, >>>>> what was 99/1 is now 51/49. Then this makes all >>>>> the Lambda CDM and particular Expansion and >>>>> Inflation quite lose most their justification, except >>>>> as a tuning problem according to measurements >>>>> and extrapolations tuning and fitting the data >>>>> an exercise in scientific modeling that the new >>>>> data has paint-canned and round-filed. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well, have a great day, just letting you know that >>>>> fall-gravity explain Dark Matter and red-shift-bias-removal >>>>> explains Dark Energy: away. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Of course, both Big Bang and Steady State hypotheses >>>>> either can be made fit the data as neither are falsifiable. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mathematics _owes_ physics more and better >>>>> mathematics of infinity, and continuity. >>>> Right, so before Olber it was already understood that light doesn't go >>>> on forever and gets tired so mainstream science is just a boondoggle >>>> anyone with a 85 IQ who uses his brains can see through. >>> >>> No, it's just figured there's more space than matter. >>> >>> Olbers paradox is "if the sky is full of stars, why >>> isn't it full of light", and answers or explanations >>> may include that there's a model of free transit of >>> information, the light-like, about images in light, >>> and about the _intensity_ of light. Then, the idea >>> is that light is omni-directional, and, it _attenuates_ >>> as it _dissipates_, while of course the sky is full of stars. >>> >>> So, it's simply dissipation and attenuation, and the fact >>> that a given observer for example a terrestrial observer, >>> only sees so many, the arriving intensity. >>> >>> "Tired Light", for example Finlay-Freundlich's theory >>> with Born, as above is an analytical method, yet as >>> above is out-moded by the data, and furthermore more >>> of a large-Fresnel-lensing approach to optics. >>> >>> Just like "Big Bang" and "Steady State" are >>> neither falsifiable and either tunable, so >>> are each of "heat death", "cold death", and >>> "Big Crunch", and "Steady Horizon". >>> >>> Now, I just made up "Steady Horizon", a theoretical >>> non-end of the universe among theories of the end of >>> the universe yet, that's the way of these things sometimes. >>> Usually these may be considered Cyclic Cosmologies, >>> though, those are also neither falsifiable and either >>> tunable, before/after and before/after. >>> >>> >>> I think that comprehension largely depends on >>> vocabulary and language, and reading is fundamental, >>> to make textual learners from graphical and manual learners. >>> >>> The concept of intensity varies among optical and >>> electrodynamic theories and as with regards to usual >>> models of flow and flux in fluid models about usual >>> models of waves their lengths for frequency and lengths >>> for velocity, and, energy and entelechy, that the >>> intensity is of a given form. >> The boondoggle is claiming a velocity-distance relationship is at all >> intelligent when it is illogical nonsense that Hubble and Zwicky >> rejected. Some one of the many tired light theories will be correct. >> Olbers is common sense. No mystery there. > > Considering the point of this thread is sort of > to revisit to review to reject Hubble, as part of > the old "revisit Heisenberg, Hubble, Higgs" bit, > and that Zwicky is sort of a linear spherical contradiction, > no, here it's "large-Fresnel-lensing" not "tuckered photons". > > The "tired light" would be a violation of conservation of energy. > > Now, of course the data advised that it was correct > and Hubble wasn't incorrect - there's new data and > so now the entire stack of derivations needs revisiting. > > Zwicky's approach of "severe abstraction" results some > sort of "linearisations" which may be useful approximations, > they've about though ran out their utility, and furthermore > as they're buried in the stacks of derivations of each > other, that GR and QM have pointy bits at each other, > when it should all be a smooth continuous continuum mechanics. > > Yeah, "universal 99/1 red-shift" is these days instead > the "51/49 red-shift-bias-removal". If you haven't been > paying attention, science has already fixed some of your > perceived problems. ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========