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Subject: Re: Ubuntu, The Pussy Distro, Is Going Rust
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On 3/23/25 7:33 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> On 2025-03-23 3:49 a.m., c186282 wrote:
>> On 3/22/25 7:34 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
>>> Ubuntu, the distro that's fit only for pussies and queers,
>>> is going Rust:
>>>
>>> https://www.theregister.com/2025/03/19/ubuntu_2510_rust/
>>
>>    First off, there's nothing horrible about Rust ... it's
>>    a perfectly good programming language. 'C' is far more
>>    traditional ... but CAN be (made) really hard to read,
>>    esp by hot-shot kiddies.
>>
>>    Hey, I'm old enough to remember when 'C' was *new* ...
>>    great fun on the PDP-11s. Beat the shit out of COBOL.
> 
> It has already been shown that the same program, made in Rust, is much 
> slower than its C equivalent. If the goal were to optimize performance, 
> Rust is not the way to go. People will claim that it won't matter 
> because computers have become much more powerful, but why would you want 
> to rewrite something for it to run as well on 2025 hardware as it did on 
> 2010 hardware? Wouldn't you want your new hardware to _feel_ faster than 
> what you had before?

   Note that 'C' has been around a LOT longer ... meaning
   a lot more time to write good compiler optimizations.

   So, I'd say "give it time". Rust is now popular enough
   so I don't think it's going to go away. It WILL get a
   lot tighter and faster over time.

   Not ENTIRELY sure about the "why" of Rust however ...
   it's enough like 'C'/'C++' that you may as well just
   use those. IS a tad 'clearer' however. 'C' can be
   written just HORRIBLY.

>>    Ubuntu as a distro - DUMPED it years ago. Way WAY too
>>    many stupid unnecessary changes to the Deb base approach,
>>    too many Ubuntu Goodies that were HARD to dodge. It was
>>    becoming (HAS become) the Winders of Linux. Just got
>>    TOO - so I went to straight Deb for years.
>>
>>    NOW, seems Deb hired too many Canonical rejects and
>>    IT now looks more like Ubuntu than it's original
>>    purist/root distros. Dreadful.
>>
>>    Been rocking Fedora and Manjaro a lot lately. The
>>    MX tweak on Deb is still fair. Don't love Arch
>>    derivs ... but, gotta do what ya gotta do.
> 
> Manjaro was spectacular in my experience with it. The _only_ reason I 
> moved out of it was because a game I was playing, Black Mesa, performed 
> very poorly in Linux compared to Windows. I should go back because I 
> truly think that it was the best Linux experience I've ever had. I did 
> read that it had serious security issues caused by their decision not to 
> renew a certificate though.

   Manjaro IS good, no question. Clearly didn't serve your
   EVERY need, but it WILL serve almost all Linux needs. It,
   and the Arch base, are very well-refined at this point.

>>    I'll go Slackware if I have to in order to get
>>    sanity. Also getting into the BSDs, but they don't
>>    have up-to-date drivers for stuff alas. Still
>>    better (almost unbeatable) for exposed servers.
>>
>>    MY idea of the better programming language base,
>>    still PASCAL actually - LOVE the look-&-feel  :-)
>>
>>    Oh well, five to ten years, "AI" is gonna be writing
>>    most software/systems. No, you WON'T be able to follow
>>    hardly any of it ... back to Magic. Utter your
>>    incantations .........
> 
> The funny part is that AI will likely produce code that doesn't have the 
> kind of backdoors we have today.


   They will still BE there ... but the code will be SO weird
   that mere humans won't be able to find them. Of course
   other AIs .......... ?