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Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2024 04:31:41 +0000 Subject: Re: Spacetime Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity References: <46633b77bddb3b8bcf79567060ac4687@www.novabbs.com> <dee75c578692e86c17d13826fd3d3166@www.novabbs.com> <6-adnRDtLKXByAb7nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> <375e23f287c09b2ac6c1baebd065e462@www.novabbs.com> <xwGdnd6DjfIFegb7nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <419b2f882de69357aeaade1165a201aa@www.novabbs.com> <17e4020b70230c2b$138293$505029$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com> <r6GcnbBELL04ugH7nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> <17e408ac9de8a9d4$114502$505064$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <f908a53d99e23bf7de8e720373133f77@www.novabbs.com> From: Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2024 21:31:41 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <f908a53d99e23bf7de8e720373133f77@www.novabbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <J_OdnS1UhO2wEgH7nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> Lines: 61 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-dvf10QteFhUnT1n+dLPramTPH+nCM7cC4N480I2DNKfRUqhFwsRN0LS56qNCygtIXz9CKyazh7lKPpV!zFeJi3wg0K8xrr6j+e4AYyPp76KULjQmk+BB1LSZiSBea0Ia4TPcnYYTdR0DlrXc0l9M9GMlqp5L!zQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 3902 On 07/20/2024 04:28 PM, gharnagel wrote: > On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 21:21:35 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote: >> >> Anyone can check GPS and see how true >> your theories must be. > > Yes they can, and the fit is pretty good. > > And since the reality does fit it - The dishonest, > disinformation manipulator just screams lies, like > "IMPROPER!!! NONSTANDARD!!!!" Here's one, "you know why the Lense-Thirring and the v_e are about the same?" "Terrestrially they can't tell apart the equivalence principle of the forces the gravitational and the acceleration". Or, GPS, blocks, "the receivers are given a particularly precise frequency and here's is why", and here's is why is there's mass-produced about a billion of them and it's much less complicated to steer the satellites than re-run the geodetic survey every day. "Why do GPS satellites both have clocks and receive timing information from the ground station?" Because space-time in space-contraction varies, sort of like a geodetic survey, yet it's the survey of the ephemeris, not just providing triangulations for Earthlings to count their 10,000 steps to the burrito palace, but feeding back ephemeris to keep the 29+ variables futzed of the "Parameterized Post-Newtonian" up-to-date. So it's sort of a false dichotomy about the GR and the GPS because while it _is_ in accords with an interpretation of GR like later Einstein's with space contraction in effect, it _isn't_ much giving the Parameterized Post-Newtonian ephemeris of Earth, and its surrounds, "global positioning". Then, Maciej comes across as a flake, yet, most are sort of know-nothings, or, you know, "coffee-table book physics of the last century". Everybody's real proud of JWST, it's totally paint-canned inflationary theory and definitely brought it up to where MOND and then sort of reverse MOND definitely fits better with less missing matter, and, then there's also the more of the "moving stars" and so on. Then Relativity is just de-constructed a bit to its principles, or, you know, good bones, and pretty much later Einstein's is just fine, yet he did take away a lot of what people were brought up on as "the thought experiments".