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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!pasdenom.info!from-devjntp Message-ID: <JgwfTY5zdr-R7hBBRn-JmVc0SDc@jntp> JNTP-Route: nemoweb.net JNTP-DataType: Article Subject: Re: No evidence References: <4144a4a378a851665e4e8cf08dd46467@www.novabbs.com> <vc3l0m$1d7l3$1@dont-email.me> <22237708faf597ef0142e87eb1c821ba@www.novabbs.com> <vc6cj0$2470v$1@dont-email.me> <549e1842f99e4bb16501ff3c87183a89@www.novabbs.com> <vcb5tu$3c9p5$1@dont-email.me> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity JNTP-HashClient: H6ozkHJI49r41KUR9j27iwoh96I JNTP-ThreadID: 17f4d33c8c292ee6$1183694$558427$c2065a8b@news.newsdemon.com JNTP-Uri: https://www.nemoweb.net/?DataID=JgwfTY5zdr-R7hBBRn-JmVc0SDc@jntp User-Agent: Nemo/1.0 JNTP-OriginServer: nemoweb.net Date: Tue, 17 Sep 24 15:16:06 +0000 Organization: Nemoweb JNTP-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/128.0.0.0 Safari/537.36 Injection-Info: nemoweb.net; posting-host="e8cbf2474b472b9bb79db3dccb6a856bc1d05409"; logging-data="2024-09-17T15:16:06Z/9025780"; posting-account="4@nemoweb.net"; mail-complaints-to="julien.arlandis@gmail.com" JNTP-ProtocolVersion: 0.21.1 JNTP-Server: PhpNemoServer/0.94.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-JNTP-JsonNewsGateway: 0.96 From: Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> Bytes: 2585 Lines: 25 Le 17/09/2024 à 08:00, Mikko a écrit : > On 2024-09-15 21:27:28 +0000, LaurenceClarkCrossen said: > >> Mikko: Then relativity has two types of time contraction. One due to >> gravity and the other due to relative motion as in the H&K they have >> time dilate in one direction and contract in the other. > > Both theories have time dilation and contraction for moving clocks, > depending on how clocks are synchronized and compared. General > Relativity has in addition effects from gravity. I do not share this point of view. It is already said, wrongly in my opinion, that we must separate the notion of internal chornotropy of watches from the longitudinal Doppler effect. For me, this is already excessive. And then we say: "Let's add general relativity effects due to the presence of masses". On this ground, I have even more difficulty following the ramblings of scientists. I am not saying that there are no effects, nor that the effects are not measurable. I am simply wondering if all this, from A to Z, is not just simple relativistic effects that could be considered pure native SR. R.H.