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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!pasdenom.info!from-devjntp Message-ID: <KRDL-sfeKg0KUbMuUiMzTEhYDwk@jntp> JNTP-Route: news2.nemoweb.net JNTP-DataType: Article Subject: Re: Incorrect mathematical integration References: <EKV4LWfwyF4mvRIpW8X1iiirzQk@jntp> <v7h59v$3mabh$1@dont-email.me> <UqTpLIJxvD4VcXT01kWm7g9OGtU@jntp> <v7jnc7$7jpq$1@dont-email.me> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity JNTP-HashClient: rOiCbLog4sJFqmH0SNXrkYYN7AM JNTP-ThreadID: Ptg0buW51I-Cbbzx-mVW15r6pQg JNTP-Uri: http://news2.nemoweb.net/?DataID=KRDL-sfeKg0KUbMuUiMzTEhYDwk@jntp User-Agent: Nemo/0.999a JNTP-OriginServer: news2.nemoweb.net Date: Sun, 21 Jul 24 21:06:27 +0000 Organization: Nemoweb JNTP-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/126.0.0.0 Safari/537.36 Injection-Info: news2.nemoweb.net; posting-host="e8cbf2474b472b9bb79db3dccb6a856bc1d05409"; logging-data="2024-07-21T21:06:27Z/8958064"; posting-account="4@news2.nemoweb.net"; mail-complaints-to="julien.arlandis@gmail.com" JNTP-ProtocolVersion: 0.21.1 JNTP-Server: PhpNemoServer/0.94.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-JNTP-JsonNewsGateway: 0.96 From: Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> Bytes: 3463 Lines: 98 Le 21/07/2024 à 21:26, "Paul.B.Andersen" a écrit : > Den 20.07.2024 23:55, skrev Richard Hachel: > So: in an inertial system K, a clock C is in inertial motion. > > t is the time in K. No, "To" is time in K. This is chronotropy. Every clocks in K have not the same time (t1,t2,t3,t4,t5, etc...), only the same chronotropy. > A and B are two stationary, synchronous clocks in K. > > At t = t₁ You want say, at To=To1 > C > A B > --|---------------------|------> x > 0 L > Clock A is showing t₁, clock C is adjacent to A and is set to zero. To(A)=0 To(C)=0 t(A)=0 t(C)=0 > At t = t₂ > C > A B > --|---------------------|------> x > 0 L At To2(B)=t(C)/sqrt(1-Vo²/c²) > Clock B is showing t₂, clock C is adjacent to B and is showing τ Yes. > Let L = 0.0001 light second = 29979 m Yes > Let (t₂ - t₁) = T = 125 μs Yes > v = L/T = 239833966.4 m/s = 0.8c Yes > w = L/τ Yes > What kind of time is T ? T=To (observable time in the laboratory, time observable but not real mesured by two anisochronic clocks A and B). > What kind of speed is v ? Observable speed Vo. > What is τ ? (equation, value and type of time) Proper time of C (real time). > What kind of speed is w ? Real speed (Vr) > What is the physical significance of w? Vr=AB/τ It is a physical notion, but not very important in Galilean relativistic physics, on the other hand, which becomes fundamental in the physics of accelerated mobiles and which we can no longer do without as soon as we leave basic relativistic physics. I recognize that it is quite strange to say that it is in the laboratory that we measure the real distance traveled, and at the level of the particle that we measure the real time to travel it. > Can it say anything about the position of C at the time τ ? x = Vo.To = Vr.Tr = Vapp.Tapp x=Vr.τ R.H.