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Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-3.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2024 01:15:48 +0000 Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary, effectively) Newsgroups: sci.math References: <vg7cp8$9jka$1@dont-email.me> <vk1brk$2srss$7@dont-email.me> <bb80c6c5-04c0-4e2d-bb21-ac51aab9e252@att.net> <vk23m7$31l8v$1@dont-email.me> <bce1b27d-170c-4385-8938-36805c983c49@att.net> <vk693m$f52$2@dont-email.me> <a17eb8b6-7d11-4c59-b98c-b4d5de8358ca@att.net> <vk7dmb$7mh2$2@dont-email.me> <b72490c1-e61a-4c23-a3a5-f624b2c084e4@att.net> <vk8tbq$j9h1$1@dont-email.me> <bd7dfdc7-6471-4fe6-b078-0ca739031580@att.net> <vklumc$3htmt$1@dont-email.me> <c03cf79d-0572-4b19-ad92-a0d12df53db9@att.net> <n9CdnR02SsevtPL6nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com> <45a632ed-26cc-4730-a8dd-1e504d6df549@att.net> <vkpa98$dofu$2@dont-email.me> <15f183ae29abb8c09c0915ee3c8355634636da31@i2pn2.org> <UY-cndwXAt7-4O36nZ2dnZfqnPYAAAAA@giganews.com> <cc538b04-66c2-453e-8abf-e1a425cc2b77@att.net> <loKcnQ1ho8WXVe36nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> <b9bd0527-41c1-4006-80cd-cdcf56f27870@att.net> <T5KdnU34aYaZKuz6nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> <1b217f2a-972f-45b6-8b42-28211da942e1@att.net> From: Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2024 17:15:31 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1b217f2a-972f-45b6-8b42-28211da942e1@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <L0ednS1OItjZaez6nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> Lines: 90 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-Zfwje1+1KNvkJbS3aYLaByP/F2rj3YRP477hvSP3AL53lZGx0XB+Y1G09lszv99Xfz+QEmRdMMaZ84O!TXbX2MCfLVxiHvvf76bluZU2uKAMlxT9IyLOtzCiZT+HEztYVHk/fFy9NA83XCyL2KAdluyQ9dw= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 4656 On 12/29/2024 01:41 PM, Jim Burns wrote: > On 12/29/2024 3:54 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >> On 12/29/2024 12:34 PM, Jim Burns wrote: >>> On 12/28/2024 10:54 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>> On 12/28/2024 04:22 PM, Jim Burns wrote: >>>>> On 12/28/2024 5:36 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: > >>>>>> Then it's like >>>>>> "no, it's distribution is non-standard, >>>>>> not-a-real-function, >>>>>> with real-analytical-character". >>>>> >>>>> Which is to say, >>>>> "no, it isn't what it's described to be" >>>> >>>> You already accept >>> >>> No. >>> You (RF) are greatly mistaken about >>> my (JB's) position with regard to >>> infinitely.many equal real.number steps >>> from 0 to 1 >>> >>> My position is and has been that they don't exist. >>> >>>> You already accept that the "natural/unit >>>> equivalency function" has range with >>>> _constant monotone strictly increasing_ >>>> has _constant_ differences, _constant_, >>>> that as a cumulative function, for a >>>> distribution, has that relating to >>>> the naturals, as uniform. >>> >>> My position, expressed in different ways, >>> is and has been that, >>> for each positive real x, >>> a finite integer n exists such that >>> n⋅x > 1 >>> >>> That conflicts with the existence of >>> infinitely.many equal real.number steps >>> from 0 to 1 >> >> Oh, you had that [0/d, 1/d, 2/d, ... oo/d] >> was a thing, > > No. > What I had was that > ⋃ᵢ₌᳹₀[0/i,1/i,2/i,...,i/i] > is a thing, > but the thing which it is > is not an interval of real numbers. > > That's still my position. > >> So, yeah, it conflicts with yourself, >> yet, that's what you said. > > No, > it isn't. > > It's also an equi-partitioning. Here of course it IS a continuous domain or model of real numbers, ran(EF), because being a distribution of the natural integers at uniform random. Well, go ahead then and come up with some reason why it's not an equi-partitioning as it fulfills otherwise being a CDF. Figuring you just can't accept it, .... It's like the not.first.false <-> not.ultimately.untrue bit and the "yin-yang ad-infinitum" bit, showing that it's not.ultimately.untrue that the inductive account is not accurate. Here though the "extent, density, completeness, measure" or "extent, density, gaplessness, measure", are considered making for a continuous domain, yet at least the larger machine reasoning inference systems agree that's so.