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Subject: Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome
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vallor wrote:
> On Thu, 1 May 2025 14:24:24 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com>
> wrote in <slrn101710o.2qk.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh>:
> 
>> On 2025-04-30, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2025-04-30 06:10, Borax Man wrote:
>>>> On 2025-04-29, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 14:21:25 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man
>>>>> <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> <slrn1011o35.46v.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2025-04-29, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-04-29 02:15, RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2025-04-28, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2025-04-28 16:01, RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-04-28, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 08:49:54 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll admit that I didn't notice all of what installing Snaps
>>>>>>>>>>>> did to my machine, but I could definitely tell that it was a
>>>>>>>>>>>> mess.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You don't want to run 'df -a'.  I'm up to /dev/loop62 for snap
>>>>>>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It took me a while to root all that snap crap out of my system,
>>>>>>>>>> but I think I've got it all cleared now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is a script you can use to automatically rid your system of
>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>> A quick search on your engine of choice will find it for you.
>>>>>>>>> Heck, it comes up at the top of the results in Brave Search.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I get more involved with Ubuntu I'll look it up. I was just
>>>>>>>> happy to be wrong about some of my Ubuntu and Wayland assumptions.
>>>>>>>> Ubuntu is not going to become my "go to" Linux distribution. It
>>>>>>>> was more in the line of... "even the Linux 'flavor' I don't
>>>>>>>> particularly like is pretty good." (I'm still not a fan of Gnome
>>>>>>>> 3.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wasn't a fan, but I was happy to use it because I'm a fan of
>>>>>>> Ubuntu's interface. However, I won't bother with it if the
>>>>>>> contributors are proud members of Antifa.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are?  Thats a concern if true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure why Antifa are not labelled as a terrorist
>>>>>> organisation,
>>>>>> they fit the definition.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's because Antifa -- literally "Anti-fascist" -- isn't an
>>>>> organization.
>>>>> It's a movement -- like skateboarding.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I love it when people invoke Antifa (anti-fascists) as a
>>>>> boogieman; then you know where they stand.  For example:  Eisenhower
>>>>> was "Antifa". Oooo, scary.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The "antifa" of today have nothing to do with Eisenhower, and you know
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Its a movement, like drug cartels.
>>>>
>>>> You know, North Korea calls itself a democracy. IT must be one, its in
>>>> the name...
>>>
>>> As far as I know, fat vallor is from San Francisco. They see themselves
>>> as heroes because they let their homeless create tent cities and take a
>>> dump anywhere they want on the street. I'm sure all of India is a
>>> heroic country to them. They're far left in their politics and will
>>> gladly rewrite history to fit their beliefs.
>>>
>>>
>> I'm Australian, things are different here, and many Americans have this
>> imperialistic, domanting mentality where they think the entire world
>> must adopt their values, their culture, their beliefs, their way of
>> thinking.  I don't hate America, but it irks me to see the American MAGA
>> movement copied here (look up Trumpet of Patriots for some cringe), and
>> it also irks me to see Californians, or American Coastal elites more
>> broadly, act as if they have moral authority to make us adopt their
>> rather parochial and extreme values.  Unfortunately, Australians follow.
>>
>> It's sad that people like him don't realise that the REST OF THE WORLD
>> sees these city dwelling Californians as loopy.  They honestly believe
>> they represent socity and the world.  Its just...odd...  A delusion.
>> Perhaps only existing because Big Tech is there and they can throw their
>> weight around.  Who knows.
> 
> What we have here is a case of parataxic distortion -- that is to say,
> stereotyping.
> 
> You know almost nothing about me.  You also know almost nothing about
> "Crude Sausage" or RonB, either, and at least the former has no issue
> with using racial slurs, something I find both extremist and uncalled-for.
> 
> The problem is extremism.  Unfortunately, politics are so polarized now
> that it's difficult to have a meaningful dialogue.  Even in your invective,
> you've written about protests in the same sentence as shoving the elderly,
> the latter act which I find especially egregious.  But protests?
> Those are a human right.  We've had at least two downtown since Trump
> was elected.  I get police updates via email, and have seen no reports
> of arrests, either there or in the local paper.
> 
> But when it comes to politics in cola, I would much rather keep
> it apolitical and areligious.  This seems almost impossible, given
> the discussions about (say) how "woke" the RC church was under
> Pope Francis.  As I said:  the problem is extremism.
> 
> Regarding California:  there's a lot of propaganda floating
> around.  There are farmers here, as well as business owners
> for establishments of all sizes.  If you think California
> is all one big college campus -- think again, it's not like
> that, any more than you are like Crocodile Dundee.
> 
> We are pretty smart, though -- the envy of the rest of the U.S.
> Maybe that's why they tell so many stories about us.  And
> California just surpassed Japan as the 4th largest economy
> in the world.  I'm co-founder of a business that employs
> over 800 people, so I'm part of making that happen.
> 
> So with all that out of the way:  if you came across a
> "Nazi" -- that is to say, a White Supremacist Nationalist -- who
> was spouting his BS into your face, wouldn't you be tempted
> to clock him, too?
> 
now , if they all had linux ...