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On 10/28/24 5:41 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 28/10/2024 04:37, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>> On 10/27/24 1:28 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 10:25:02 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> In fact if you delve deep enough you come to understand that the
>>>> question 'why?' is an utterly human one, doesn't apply to the Universe
>>>> at large and if extrapolated beyond its applicable context to Universal
>>>> Purpose will likely lead you to a supernatural solution like 'Cos God
>>>> did it'
>>>
>>> Enter metaphysics, stage right.
>>
>>
>>    Clue about The Universe ... it's NOT ABOUT US.
>>
>>    We need to GET OVER IT.
> 
> Clue about the universe *as we see it*
> 
> ITS ALL ABOUT US. It is simply riddled with anthropic concepts to the 
> point that people dimly recognise this, and exclaim 'I've found God!'


   Depends on how to take "It's All About Us" ... we ARE a
   sort of 'consciousness' the universe evolved. May be
   more, maybe only us - wait awhile on that one.

   However to evolve anything The Universe had to be there
   already, fairly easy to confirm too. It just wasn't
   "self aware" so to speak.

   (yes, arguments have been made that causality may be
   something of an illusion - but the math needed to
   argue is WAY above my pay grade)

   As the Buddha said, there IS a reality. What it is in
   all its nuances are denied to us however because of
   what kind of beings we are. Likely would apply to ANY
   kind of 'being', they'll always see it their way, and
   just their way.

   As for all the anthropic junk, well ... can't get rid
   of it, it's the hub of this little discussion, but IMHO
   there's still WAY more than is wise. Anthropic too
   oft incorporates ego/pride/prejudice/etc and then we
   get 'gods' in robes telling us it IS all about us, that
   the planets circle ours for our amusement and affirmation -
   oh, and all the heretics must be burned.