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Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-4.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 19:46:05 +0000 Subject: Re: Replacement of Cardinality (ubiquitous ordinals, integer continuum, linear continuum, continuity) Newsgroups: sci.logic,sci.math References: <hsRF8g6ZiIZRPFaWbZaL2jR1IiU@jntp> <881fc1a1-2e55-4f13-8beb-94d1f941b5af@att.net> <vg44QVKbPSR4U0Tq71L-fg5yqgM@jntp> <85194aeb-1b24-4486-8bcc-4dcd43b4fd2f@att.net> <HVudnVg62uHETjv7nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com> <HVudnVo62uGFSDv7nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com> <tR-dnU_G9dTXSjv7nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com> <2e188e21-4128-4c76-ba5d-473528262931@att.net> <NQednW9Dop2vbDr7nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> From: Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 12:46:23 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <NQednW9Dop2vbDr7nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <NQednW5Dop3gbDr7nZ2dnZfqn_QAAAAA@giganews.com> Lines: 43 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-Sp6ZvZnufvkkyJfb/zY2tdKQWDZpazxK+stP7djh0jsbkCOwGxqxwMODUTWBhddhWF4FkH+xwTOMEwj!+vwOu00YLq3U1Ii9kL4+YmMV8MLT6ZlzQFt3MZ9yaLDKsDs4DIvUTUrQlIW2TVcL6Nwx6xGu/5GA X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 3006 On 07/29/2024 12:44 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: > On 07/29/2024 05:32 AM, Jim Burns wrote: >> On 7/28/2024 7:42 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>> On 07/28/2024 04:32 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>> On 07/28/2024 04:25 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>> On 07/28/2024 11:17 AM, Jim Burns wrote: >> >>>>>> [...] >>>>> [...] >>>> [...] >>> >>> about ubiquitous ordinals >> >> What are ubiquitous ordinal? >> >> > > Well, you know that ORD, is, the order type of ordinals, > and so it's an ordinal, of all the ordinals. > > The "ubiquitous ordinals", sort of recalls Kronecker's > "G-d made the integers, the rest is the work of Man", > that the Integer Continuum, is the model and ground > model, of any sort of language of finite words, > like set theory. > > It's like the universe of set theory, then as that > there's _always_ an arithmetization, or as with regards > to ordering and numbering as a bit weaker property than > collecting and counting, so that "ubiquitous ordinals" > is what you get from a discrete world. > > Then there's that according to the set-theoretic Powerset > theorem of Cantor, that when the putative function is > successor, in ubiquitous ordinals where order type is > powerset is successor, then there's no missing element. > > So, "ubiquitous ordinals" is exactly what it says. > > Or, you know, "infinity plus one".