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On 5/25/25 7:10 AM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> Le 25-05-2025, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> a écrit :
>> On 2025-05-24, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>>> Le 24-05-2025, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> Canonical basically treat their users the way Microsoft does, perhaps
>>>> even worse.  I never recommend Ubuntu to anyone for that reason, in
>>>> fact, I tell anyone interested in Linux to *avoid* it.
>>>
>>> I'm not convinced by your explanation. For a new Linux user, Ubuntu is a
>>> good way to start. First, as Ubuntu installs a lot of things, a new user
>>> will have everything ready to start without the need to look for
>>> solution each time he want to do something. Second, as Ubuntu is well
>>> spread, if a new user has an issue, the chances someone else get it
>>> first is important, so it will be easier to solve.
>>>
>>> You can be against Ubuntu because of snaps, but it's not the reason you
>>> are against it.
>>>
>>
>>>> The whole point of Free Software, is you, the user, get to choose what
>>>> to do, how to do it.  Its your computer, your software, and if you want
>>>> to run everything as root, you can.
>>>
>>> So what? Ubuntu doesn't stop you to do that. Even if it's stupid, you
>>> can do it.
>>>
>>
>> I didn't say Ubuntu stops you from doing that.
> 
> It really looked that way.
> 
>> My point was if you don't like a particular distro, or their
>> philosophy, you can move away.
> 
> That's the reason why I'm not using Ubuntu anymore. But it's not the
> reason I wouldn't consider Ubuntu being a good choice for a new Linux
> user. Because a new user doesn't know about a philosophy or differences
> between the default choices done by the distro. A new Linux user want an
> easy way to discover Linux. So I know why I choose something, a new
> Linux user doesn't and don't want to care to discover Linux.
> 
> But Your point was well hidden. Because it looked like you consider a
> new Linux user must discover and know everything before being able to
> use Linux for the first time.


   For the record, I don't rec Ubuntu for anyone. It's
   gone Too Weird - less a help than Just Another Trap.

   Vanilla Deb is better - though they SEEM to have hired
   a bunch of Canonical rejects of late.

   BEST = 'MX'. Not too big, not too small, useful
   goodies included.

   The Arch derivs ain't bad - but very 'different' and
   'annoying' in some ways. Don't hate OpenSUSE, but
   it's so FAT.

   Just tried a few BSD derivs - and NOT with great
   success. A lot of "can't get there from here" issues.
   MAYbe the next-level distros ???

   In any case, I understand that the common IDEA is
   to wean people off M$ ... and that means a very
   similar GUI experience. Many opt for KDE for that
   reason even though it's over-bloated. Gimme LXDE
   preferably .......

   Do NOT expect too many M$/Apple addicts to switch to
   Linux/BSD. Perhaps the smarter 10%. This IS a useful
   percentage and audience however. For kiddies going
   into 'IT', those with Linux/BSD exposure WILL do
   a LOT better. Servers SHOULD be Linux/BSD, not M$.

   Alas the 'AI' influence is unknown right now - may
   be that future 'IT' won't really have to know ANY
   OS or major programming langs ... just skill in
   describing needs to the 'AI'. Next decade IS gonna
   be very DIFFERENT. Kind of a loss for humans and
   human sensibilities alas .......

   Hey, I've tried most everything over the past few
   years ... including Solaris/OpenIndiana (NOT that
   bad) and Plan-9 (not REALLY meant for single boxes).
   Note that Plan-9 has now been ported to the big
   black IBM mainframe boxes. I'd love to see a modern
   VMS - an OS well ahead of its time - loved it back
   in the old days - but money issues mean it's not
   gonna happen (such a waste !).