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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.gegeweb.eu!gegeweb.org!pasdenom.info!from-devjntp Message-ID: <W9BzcbRBZf4dAXApqiQLTdBNGmE@jntp> JNTP-Route: news2.nemoweb.net JNTP-DataType: Article Subject: Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics References: <GBEGTHyJnMpjHuJ0IoZO0OLSc1M@jntp> <cda33e42de10aeee9283e500b47a63f9@www.novabbs.com> <AE2L2lzGJn13Z_4dg3bpJC59QsA@jntp> <66b3d79f$0$3656$426a74cc@news.free.fr> <dlVAS4dgp1D4i_LVHm3d5U9hqow@jntp> <43ee5c178f7ae877c0c3e00e77386494@www.novabbs.com> <xHQxwI0qFFk4RXIOP_V9qQEYF6o@jntp> <03be6498d21bfde3edbac3669f10841c@www.novabbs.com> <jAzCAJq8FVCKps9bXn3yDr5Sh4U@jntp> <e6a7e71e31958ad0eec9f8b0555d03bf@www.novabbs.com> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity JNTP-HashClient: k7UrB7B4r2SrvLsZlZdQp7PxVt0 JNTP-ThreadID: azmKI4HvnEJnqvnVFsjpWB8pljI JNTP-Uri: http://news2.nemoweb.net/?DataID=W9BzcbRBZf4dAXApqiQLTdBNGmE@jntp User-Agent: Nemo/0.999a JNTP-OriginServer: news2.nemoweb.net Date: Sat, 10 Aug 24 23:10:57 +0000 Organization: Nemoweb JNTP-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/127.0.0.0 Safari/537.36 Injection-Info: news2.nemoweb.net; posting-host="e8cbf2474b472b9bb79db3dccb6a856bc1d05409"; logging-data="2024-08-10T23:10:57Z/8982420"; posting-account="4@news2.nemoweb.net"; mail-complaints-to="julien.arlandis@gmail.com" JNTP-ProtocolVersion: 0.21.1 JNTP-Server: PhpNemoServer/0.94.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-JNTP-JsonNewsGateway: 0.96 From: Richard Hachel <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> Bytes: 3094 Lines: 35 Le 10/08/2024 à 23:32, hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) a écrit : >> >> It is realized universally every day. >> This horse in this meadow, this moon in the sky, this galaxy in this >> telescope, I perceive them because, precisely, it is about instantaneous >> transmission of information. > > Doesn't happen. Ever. There's always time delay due to speed of light. > Telescopes look into the past of what they see. And the moon you see is > more than a second old. Even the horse is older. > >> This is what we call direct-live. I beg you to stop being an idiot and writing nonsense. This forum is already rotten with guys who come to talk to us about Ukraine, Trump, and other off-topic stuff in relativity, if in addition, one of the celestial lights of relativity (me) is criticized badly, we will not get out of it. I repeat: "This horse in this meadow, this moon in this sky, this galaxy in this telescope, are given to me live, without an intermediary, and by instantaneous transfer of information". The answers I get, which are like: "the speed of light means that we cannot observe things instantly, and even some stars may be dead today" are particularly stupid. They show the collective decay of current physics. One day, we will laugh at such answers because science will progress. But today, I am saddened by it. R.H.