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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 20:57:41 -0500
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On 2/11/25 4:24 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2025-02-10, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 2/9/25 6:32 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> On 2025-02-09, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 23:36:12 -0500, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>      Maybe the best cross-over was Professor Wirth with Pascal/Modula.
>>>>>      Alas it was a shorter fence to straddle back then ....
>>>>
>>>> Before it was adapted for the real world Pascal was known as a language
>>>> that excelled at telling itself secrets. I/O was an afterthought. Lisp
>>>> needed some improvement before it was useful too.
>>>
>>> That was true of all the Wirthian languages, wasn't it?
>>> I've heard them referred to as "bondage and discipline" languages.
>>
>>     Early ALGOL didn't even have I/O per-se. It was
>>     an educational demo, not real-world. The last
>>     versions were much more usable.
>>
>>     Pascal/Modula ... kinda "improved ALGOL".
>>
>>     As for "bondage" ... not sure where you heard
>>     that. Pascal - esp the later Borland-derived
>>     versions - are a great all-purpose environment
>>     and you can actually READ yer code a year later.
> 
> I always thought of it in the sense of "If you can't
> do anything, you can't do anything wrong."
> 
>>     Modula-2/3 were a little more 'stiff', but still
>>     usable. Can't find a native M3 compiler for Linux
>>     that will install correctly alas ...
>>
>>     If you want B&D, look up little Miss ADA  :-)
> 
> <shudder> Now you've got me trying to erase images
> of kinky stuff with someone from the Americans with
> Disabilities Association.
> 
> As for the Ada the language (note the lack of excess
> capitals), it looked too governmental and bloated.
> Besides, I already had C.


   'C' is great. No question, no diss.

   But I *love* Pascal  :-)

   As for Ada's Dungeon ... it's more than just
   bloated and governmental - it's a painful
   bowel obstruction.