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Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 00:05:19 +0000 From: BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Yet Another Reason EVs are a Bad Choice References: <_NGdnQo7bcjKpvf7nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> <v4fh9a$2dq8a$1@dont-email.me> <318219596.740003696.512701.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com> <XCOdnSy8GM6P8fb7nZ2dnZfqnPYAAAAA@giganews.com> <v4frvq$2ftbt$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=fixed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Usenapp/0.92.2/l for MacOS Message-ID: <WOCdnRPHCL6iFPb7nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 00:05:19 +0000 Lines: 133 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-Q5PnIVknDdakEynnIcTRdivFK2vpmEvdeRQdmspErj9844/4QdydHAe2XQXq9YCnYyP2y7isi5tbFti!vz0BWVUN9llHvt7E1bCEb2P/PHCoFafJAo68LuLyYvFYqWvCc/97phC4UBturkHoBDlBwVD3livG X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 7497 X-Original-Lines: 113 On Jun 13, 2024 at 3:31:22 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: > On 6/13/2024 6:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >> On Jun 13, 2024 at 1:36:30 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote: >> >>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>> On 6/12/2024 8:20 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>> I've noticed that several of the EV charging stations at my local mall >>>>> seem to >>>>> have the cables ripped out. (There are also huge swaths of L.A. that >>>>> are now >>>>> dark at night because thieves have ripped apart streetlights to steal the >>>>> copper inside.) So now even if you happen to find one of the rare chargers >>>>> that can 'fuel-up' your EV, you're likely to find it useless due to >>>>> thievery. >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------- >>>>> DETROIT (AP) — Just before 2AM on a chilly April night in Seattle, a >>>>> Chevrolet >>>>> Silverado pickup stopped at an electric vehicle charging station on >>>>> the edge >>>>> of a shopping center parking lot. Two men, one with a light strapped >>>>> to his >>>>> head, got out. A security camera recorded them pulling out bolt >>>>> cutters. One >>>>> man snipped several charging cables; the other loaded them into the truck. >>>>> In >>>>> under 2½ minutes, they were gone. >>>>> >>>>> The scene that night has become part of a troubling pattern across the >>>>> country: Thieves have been targeting EV charging stations, intent on >>>>> stealing >>>>> the cables, which contain copper wiring. The price of copper is near a >>>>> record >>>>> high on global markets, which means criminals stand to collect rising sums >>>>> of >>>>> cash from selling the material. >>>>> >>>>> The stolen cables often disable entire stations, forcing EV owners on the >>>>> road >>>>> to search desperately for a working charger. For the owners, the >>>>> predicament >>>>> can be exasperating and stressful. >>>>> >>>>> Broken-down chargers have emerged as the latest obstacle for U.S. >>>>> automakers >>>>> in their strenuous effort to convert more Americans to EVs despite >>>>> widespread >>>>> public anxiety about a scarcity of charging stations. About 4 in 10 U.S. >>>>> adults say they believe EVs take too long to charge or don't know of any >>>>> charging stations nearby. >>>>> >>>>> If even finding a charging station doesn't necessarily mean finding >>>>> functioning cables, it becomes one more reason for skeptical buyers to >>>>> stick >>>>> with traditional gasoline-fueled or hybrid vehicles, at least for now. >>>>> >>>>> Two years ago, according to Electrify America, which runs the nation’s >>>>> second-largest network of direct-current fast chargers, a cable might >>>>> be cut >>>>> perhaps every six months at one of its 968 charging stations, with 4,400 >>>>> plugs >>>>> nationwide. Through May this year, the figure reached 129-- four more than >>>>> in >>>>> all of 2023. At one Seattle station, cables were cut six times in the past >>>>> year, said Anthony Lambkin, Electrify America's vice president of >>>>> operations. >>>>> >>>>> "We're enabling people to get to work, to take their kids to school, >>>>> get to >>>>> medical appointments," Lambkin said. "So to have an entire station that's >>>>> offline is pretty impactful to our customers." >>>>> >>>>> Until a month ago, police in Houston knew of no cable thefts. Then one was >>>>> stolen from a charger at a gas station. The city has now recorded eight or >>>>> nine such thefts, said Sgt. Robert Carson, who leads a police metal-theft >>>>> unit. >>>>> >>>>> In one case, thieves swiped 18 of 19 cords at a Tesla station. That day, >>>>> Carson visited the station to inspect the damage. In the first five >>>>> minutes >>>>> that he was there, Carson said, about 10 EVs that needed charging had >>>>> to be >>>>> turned away. In very large cities like Houston, charging stations >>>>> typically >>>>> contain an especially large number of plugs and cables, so thefts can be >>>>> particularly damaging. "They're not just taking one," Carson said. "When >>>>> they're hit, they're hit pretty hard." >>>>> >>>>> The charging companies say it’s become clear that the thieves are >>>>> after the >>>>> copper that the cables contain. In late May, copper hit a record high of >>>>> nearly $5.20 a pound, a result, in part, of rising demand resulting from >>>>> efforts to cut carbon emissions with EVs that use more copper wiring. The >>>>> price is up about 25% from a year ago, and many analysts envision further >>>>> increases. >>>>> >>>>> Charging companies say there isn’t actually very much copper in the >>>>> cables, >>>>> and what copper is there is difficult to extract. Carson estimates that >>>>> criminals can get $15 to $20 per cable at a scrap yard. "They're not >>>>> making a >>>>> significant amount of money," he said. "They're not going to be >>>>> sailing on a >>>>> yacht anywhere." >>>>> >>>>> Still, the more cables the thieves can steal, the more they can cash >>>>> in. At >>>>> $20 a cable, 20 stolen cables could fetch $400. >>>>> >>>>> The problem for the charging companies is that it’s much costlier to >>>>> replace >>>>> cables. In Minneapolis, where cables have been clipped at city-owned >>>>> charging >>>>> stations, it costs about $1,000 to replace just one cable, said Joe >>>>> Laurin, >>>>> project manager in the Department of Public Works. >>>> >>>> Sounds like you'd want to strongly discourage this particular theft... >>>> >>> >>> Sounds like whoever’s charging $1000 a cable may be the real crook >> >> My favorite EV moment was the idiot who we saw standing next to his car at >> the >> mall, holding the charger the same way people hold the gas nozzle while >> filling up. He was "pumping" electricity into his car, I guess. > > I bet a lot of people do that ...once. This guy was still wearing a mask outdoors in 2024, so I suspect he'll be at it for a while.