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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!pasdenom.info!from-devjntp Message-ID: <X3siqlIRGmwBnMd2rM4m7tkzegM@jntp> JNTP-Route: news2.nemoweb.net JNTP-DataType: Article Subject: Re: Relativistic aberration References: <QsysQnpetTSlB_zDsjAhnCKqnbg@jntp> <v8fkn6$23nee$1@dont-email.me> <FS7BRIsxO-_X20VxXPebSsjPIt4@jntp> <v8gpr4$2c66e$1@dont-email.me> <1r17YwSTuu_yFwJ8Mj7O-umZb_M@jntp> <v8jd83$2vsa3$1@dont-email.me> <aGJtGFi-pcZdeYKlbLrP7fJkFGw@jntp> <v8m3tk$3k7em$1@dont-email.me> <n6nnyNLQR1tXDC_uShX3k3bxE5g@jntp> <v8ntdq$2b3b$1@dont-email.me> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity JNTP-HashClient: hhA1pRH3QLkjBf2q54aOcz82pZM JNTP-ThreadID: XgGFOrcTXd5ZDEX07aa-LTy0U04 JNTP-Uri: http://news2.nemoweb.net/?DataID=X3siqlIRGmwBnMd2rM4m7tkzegM@jntp User-Agent: Nemo/0.999a JNTP-OriginServer: news2.nemoweb.net Date: Sun, 04 Aug 24 14:28:47 +0000 Organization: Nemoweb JNTP-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/127.0.0.0 Safari/537.36 Injection-Info: news2.nemoweb.net; posting-host="e8cbf2474b472b9bb79db3dccb6a856bc1d05409"; logging-data="2024-08-04T14:28:47Z/8975250"; posting-account="4@news2.nemoweb.net"; mail-complaints-to="julien.arlandis@gmail.com" JNTP-ProtocolVersion: 0.21.1 JNTP-Server: PhpNemoServer/0.94.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-JNTP-JsonNewsGateway: 0.96 From: Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> Bytes: 3018 Lines: 34 Le 04/08/2024 à 14:50, "Paul.B.Andersen" a écrit : > > This is about what the observers SEE in their telescopes. > > They are co-located when they receive the light from the supernova, > so they obviously both see the star as it goes supernova. > > Since earth observers have _measured_ (via parallax ?) the distance > to the star to be 15000 ly, and the speed of light is c in the > Earth frame, the earth observer can deduce that the light must > have left the star 15000 years ago. > > The rocket observer will see in his telescope the star > as it goes supernova in the direction RA = 12.7⁰ and DEC = 0⁰. > He has no possibility of knowing the distance to the star or > when it went supernova, but the Earth observer know that > since they were co-located at the reception, they both have > received the light that was emitted 15000 years ago. > That means that since the speed of light is c in the rocket frame, > the distance in the rocket frame must be 15000 ly. > But the rocket observer can't know this without being told. > > But we can calculate that the coordinates of the star as > it went supernova must have been: > E '= (x' = 14633 ly, y' = 3297 ly, z' 0 ly, t' = -15000 y) > > Case closed. If you are anxious about making a fool of yourself in the face of the future, do as you please. Personally, and with care, I have tried to show you your errors of concepts. I can do nothing more. R.H.