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On 11/23/24 6:16 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 23/11/2024 04:57, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>> On 11/22/24 12:51 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 20:19:55 -0700, Don_from_AZ wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On 21/11/2024 07:20, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I take it you're also not a fan of Perl  🙂
>>>>>
>>>>> Perfectly Execrable Rubbish Language
>>>>
>>>> I've heard it called:
>>>>
>>>>    "Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister"
>>>
>>> It changed the meaning of the term “high-level language” forever.
>>
>>
>>    Well ... glad to see my opinion of Perl is
>>    not unique  :-)
>>
>>    Way back I bought the usual "Learn Perl" book with
>>    the camel on the front. About two chapters in I
>>    said "WHY ???".
>>
> I just saw the type of people who created enormous scripts in it, and 
> thought 'total wankers' They typically read instruction manuals as a 
> hobby...
> 
> If a script gets that big it should be in a different language altogether.


   Well .... MAYbe they caught "The Joy Of Perl" - though
   it's hard to imagine such a thing ......

   I've seen huge scripts in Bash as well. There was someone
   in these groups who always said they didn't need 'C' or
   Python or whatever because, no matter, they could and
   wanted to do it with Bash and any other approach proved
   you were stupid and incompetent.

   But yea ... there soon comes a point where you ought
   to implement in a better, more proper, language.
   Whatever it is, at least use Python if for no other
   reason than that it's generally comprehensible. They
   kept expanding Bash with more obscure squiggles and
   bars and "two spaces, not one" almost to the point
   where you may as well be using BrainFuck or similar.

   The biggest Bash script I ever did was about 300 lines,
   for backing up all the drives shared on the system. The
   saving point was that what I was doing was very 'modular',
   maybe 25 lines for each share, almost perfectly repeated
   on down the tree. Confirm share exists, try to create
   a tempshare, confirm that exists, read file, encrypt
   file, fix-up the tree, transfer file ..." that
   sort of thing. Copy, tweak and insert module if some new
   share had been made.

   But I soon re-did it in Python. MUCH better.


> It reminds me of a cartoon picture of a nerd saying 'I use a Unix based 
> operating system. My computers crash about as often as I get laid'

   It's tough life being a nerd.