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Path: ...!news.nobody.at!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: someone37 <admin@answernot42.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Animated Series Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 13:27:19 GMT Organization: Eweka Internet Services Lines: 69 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <XGfLN.16179482$ee1.11242105@fx16.ams4> References: <977pviltbihuce6loh8uh88hldcsuonjb8@4ax.com> Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="25729"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Return-Path: <news-admin@admin.omicronmedia.com> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 11BB022976C; Fri, 22 Mar 2024 09:23:52 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC428229758 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Fri, 22 Mar 2024 09:23:49 -0400 (EDT) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.97) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from <news-admin@admin.omicronmedia.com>) id 1rnevi-00000003829-1itK; Fri, 22 Mar 2024 14:27:30 +0100 by nntpmail01.ams4.omicronmedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA520101562 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Fri, 22 Mar 2024 13:27:19 +0000 (UTC) id A1E351280193; Fri, 22 Mar 2024 13:27:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Path: fx16.ams4.POSTED!not-for-mail X-Newsreader: NewsLeecher v7.0 Final (http://www.newsleecher.com) X-Original-Complaints-To: abuse@eweka.nl X-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2024 13:27:19 UTC Bytes: 4395 In reply to "Bob Casanova" who wrote the following: > On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 08:39:33 +0000, the following appeared > in talk.origins, posted by *Hemidactylus* > <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid>: > > > someone37 <admin@answernot42.com> wrote: > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > The reason is that any computation can be done with an arrangement of NAND > > > gates (they are functionally complete) is because a claim that it could > > > would be > > > tantamount to suggesting that NAND gates could only be arranged in a > > > certain way > > > if the reality was one in which things experienced. > > > > > Aha, NAND gates. Seems the past 36 incarnations of “someone” were > > insufficient to the task so the resurrection ship spawned another. Here we > > go again… > > > I knew he (she? it?) sounded familiar. And if anything even > more incoherent than previously. > > > -- > > Bob C. > > "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, > the one that heralds new discoveries, is not > 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'" > > - Isaac Asimov Bob C., mentions a minor argument, which explained why whether any of reality is experienced or not is not computable. Which could be thought to be an issue for a physicalist belief in which we are evolved biological machines whose brains are running some type of neural network computation (because we can tell that at least part of reality is experiencing, which isn't computable). Noticeably Bob C., didn't offer any flaw in the argument, but I am grateful for him having looked at the video, and brought up an argument from it. Though the main issues raised in that particular video from the series were the Influence Issue, and the Fine Tuning of the Experience Issue, which he didn't mention. For those that would be interested in just diving into a specific part of the series to understand what is being referred to, you could just follow this link (which skips the first 7 minutes of 4.Belief): https://vimeo.com/921153137#t=7m There are some comebacks to "4. Belief" covered in the next one in the series, "5. Issues with belief?". Series link:https://vimeo.com/showcase/the-lottery-issue Wish you all well, and as a wise man might say: "Follow the loving selfless path". https://vimeo.com/showcase/the-lottery-issue -- ----------------------------------------- --- -- - Posted with NewsLeecher v7.0 Final Free Newsreader @ http://www.newsleecher.com/ ------------------------------- ----- ---- -- -