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On 10/28/24 6:10 AM, D wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, 28 Oct 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> 
>> On 10/27/24 5:34 PM, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 27/10/2024 05:35, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>>> On 10/26/24 10:21 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 02:06:21 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Our whole universe was in a hot dense state..."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I look around, I see some in this noisegroup who still seem to 
>>>>>> be in
>>>>>> that state ...
>>>>>
>>>>>    Normally these groups are VERY quiet. But then it's only
>>>>>    about a week before elections.
>>>>>
>>>>>    As for the universe, it USED to be in a 'hot dense state',
>>>>>    but has cooled-off considerably. If 'dark energy' calx are
>>>>>    correct we're already on the downside - headed for icy doom.
>>>>>
>>>> Well so says the metaphysics of the classical scientific world view.
>>>>
>>>> We are surfing a wave of entropy created by the big bang and will all
>>>> end up washed up the beach gasping and then die.
>>>>
>>>> Of course  the metaphysics of the classical scientific world view is
>>>> only a man made theory, when it comes down to it. And can neither be
>>>> proven true or false.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The world actually can be proven true. G.E. Moore did it many decades
>>> ago. Here's a hand!
>>
>>
>>  Even the Buddha said the universe was "real" - just
>>  that creatures like US, maybe any, could never really
>>  see it's entirety - barely a key-hole view. Our evolution,
>>  bodies, senses, brains ... we see things through "Human-
>>  Colored Glasses" and that's our kinda faux view of things.
> 
> I think this is pretty obvious. I also think it shows that Buddha was a 
> wise man!

   If it's obvious, why don't I hear it much ? It represents
   a loss of self-determination, a stone wall we can never
   penetrate ... forever trapped in our little tiny warped
   version of the universe.

   Actually, Plato's "Allegory Of The Cave" points to the
   same conclusion, he just kinda leaves off the last para -
   maybe for political reasons. Plato and Buddha were near-
   contemporaries and some ideas may have filtered across
   from the east.