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Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2024 02:37:19 +0000 Subject: Re: More complex numbers than reals? (complex) Newsgroups: sci.math References: <v6ihi1$18sp0$6@dont-email.me> <v73r76$qh4c$1@dont-email.me> <ed95lACUg-jmcwQxVGJcwXywVro@jntp> <118e30e2-0d8e-4e5d-872d-b628acadfde1@att.net> <LZ6P09NUOK3-mMMQjm9sdsJY8kc@jntp> <755f3a41-a7d4-477b-a5cf-8e23afd9f0bd@att.net> <q672hDIuYHeP9Gl44oT_0s2zY3k@jntp> <a1e83f09-e030-4da5-aea9-4c716c6f020d@att.net> <S710E0bYKI1CEwQx-0g-9e8RWac@jntp> <9a40eeac-820a-4b52-a96f-210c73d7952d@att.net> <_C4yeCeYcIV8qljNDQ6qW9nyzX8@jntp> <8c89d168-b971-4d2b-a4b7-ef4b26e2b9ca@att.net> From: Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2024 19:37:15 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8c89d168-b971-4d2b-a4b7-ef4b26e2b9ca@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <_B6dnUu_Ff3CTAT7nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com> Lines: 49 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-ukckgGMEdhOx1uIfNLzU83p3FSDp4kQjdyc+ecA0VEIXr5s/qiPAXjC470eX9SlBR+glcsyQ7XlBxxj!2uq/oxR2Y6f2BcGtnIhsYQ7ku0K4GV3nxQfubfHg9ennbfFMWq/vbpdqAojP6UbxTLi3/20Dpj3T X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 3158 On 07/18/2024 02:51 PM, Jim Burns wrote: > On 7/18/2024 4:50 PM, WM wrote: >> Le 18/07/2024 à 20:49, Jim Burns a écrit : > >>> ℵ₀.many remain in E(n) >>> 0.many remain in all.infinite (all) end segments >> >> Each infinite endsegment has infinitely many numbers. >> How many are not in all predecessors? > > You are confused about > the intersection of all end segments. > > Each infinite end.segment has infinitely many numbers. > Each is not in all.infinite (all) end segments. > > It is insufficient to be in all _predecessor_ end.segments. > > Yet, there's a case for induction that there's no case for induction, which axiomless deduction usually arrives at as insufficient. Maybe it helps to think of the numbers as ranging from zero to a large number, then that it's infinite in the middle. How about if there are _less_ complex numbers than reals? Sort of like the cardinal 1 in set theory is the equivalence class of all singletons, that instead of the integers being defined first, instead it's just that there the modular, regular culminations, regular in density, regular in dispersion, and otherwise reflecting that multiple rulialities, multiple regularities, must be resolved by deduction, that otherwise just makes an inductive impasse both ways, between points and lines and lines and points. Just "axiomatizing" least-upper-bound of point-sets as modeling geometry's given lines, some have as, "insufficient". (Not "true".) Mathematics: there is one.