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Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2024 22:36:36 +0000 Subject: Re: No true relativist! Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity References: <89ea9e0a4ddc271a7bc16200c6a5dbb4@www.novabbs.com> <180651eb5742ea7d$15$992698$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <a83d1952019a4b74154a893db4939275@www.novabbs.com> <861f0c1aa068b2ad069df2ed8ff9f44a@www.novabbs.com> From: Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2024 14:36:27 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <861f0c1aa068b2ad069df2ed8ff9f44a@www.novabbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <_vadnfzJT-9pfrL6nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> Lines: 84 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-t7lwpj7UkL9Mxx2dAd8Yy81WsPxmOwGkehGkVyE5w3FLaC00cIUio1v+qZlmKAKE8ZYPlAU3twNsGTw!uQMwJoMpwLheZZJM/GtCMFYDPzjj41EINjBfHsK4qUxXn6k72QWFuHemL6duZTxFF84SaD/t1WiX X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 5711 On 11/09/2024 02:16 PM, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote: > Mr. Hertz: > > Thanks for the Schwarzschild article. Having read it, it is clear he did > not understand how logically fallacious the idea of curved space is. > That is not indicative of high intelligence. Space is either an > abstraction making the curving of it irrelevant to physical space or a > vacuum making it something with no substance to curve. Curved space is > not permissible to the logical and rational scientist. It's permissible > to the licentious and deceitful. There is absolutely no empirical > evidence for it. It would require that parallel lines be proven to meet. > There is no evidence for a closed universe, which is a finite universe. > They wanted it to be finite so they could apply entropy, which only > applies to closed systems. This is unwarranted. In the Schwarzschild > article you provided he argues for assuming a curvature of space so > small as to be unnoticeable in a universe of the small size he > contemplates of 10,000 ly wide. In this way he makes his curvature > irrefutable by empirical means. > > Schwarzschild himself says, "Thus the curvature of a hyperbolic space is > so insignificant that it cannot be observed via solar system > measurements, and because hyperbolic space is infinite, like Euclidean > space, no unusual appearances will be observed on looking at fixed star > systems." > > The article starts: "If I presume to present a few remarks that have > neither any real practical applicability nor any pertinent mathematical > meaning, my excuse is that the topic we are considering has a particular > attraction for many of you because it presents an extension of our view > of things way beyond that due to our accessible experience, and opens > the most strange prospects for later possible experiences. That it > requires a total break with the astronomers’ deeply entrenched views > cannot but seem a further advantage to anyone convinced that all > knowledge is relative." > > Schwarzschild wrote, "One finds oneself there — if one wants to — in a > geometrical fairyland, but the best thing about these fairy stories is > that one does not know whether they will indeed turn out to be true. The > questions as to how far we have pushed back the boundaries of this > fairyland can now be asked: how small is the curvature of space? and > what is a lower bound for its radius of curvature?‡." The, "Fourth Dimension", is considered at least two things, and one of them is a perspective dimension of free thought, and the other is a perspective dimension of analytical book-keeping, then though some have it that the absurd and ludicrous/ridiculous/ incredible follow after "Ex Falso Quodlibet", which others have as repulsive and rejected because instead there's "Ex Falso Nihilum". So, after Newton and "System of the World", it was also used to help abandon and reject notions like "natural order" and other matters of repressive fate or destiny, so, that logicist positivism became the central underpinning of 20'th century philosophy, falling adrift from teleology and determinism into the existentialist/nihilist neither-nor. So anyways the "forget what you know" bit can go stuff itself, then there are matters of how mathematics can yet fulfill, the things the theory, with as well some renewed teleological metaphysics (not necessarily theological, merely a minimal teleological), the teleological and ontological, as with regards to that the theory belongs to the philosophers, which as thinking beings you aspire to know or be. Then, with regard to space-time curvature, besides the "singularity" as asymptotic the infinity, it's more generally for singularity theory that it's multiplicity theory. The singularities / catastrophes / perestroikas , are each merely branches in multiplicity theories. So, ..., the "spiral, space-filling curve", has, curvature: 1/R. So, being a sort of singularity and original itself, then it is the natural curvature of the gauge theory's "R-gauge". Then as with regards to modern philosophy and the associated logic, there's mostly that the deductive inference is a fuller completion and that any good, relevant logic is a relevance logic and modal. So, "Foundations" needs some fixing thoroughly.