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From: joes <noreply@example.org>
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Subject: Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a
 new basis ---x86 code is a liar?
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2024 08:56:42 -0000 (UTC)
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Am Wed, 13 Nov 2024 17:11:30 -0600 schrieb olcott:
> On 11/13/2024 4:58 AM, Mikko wrote:
>> On 2024-11-12 13:58:03 +0000, olcott said:
>>> On 11/12/2024 1:12 AM, joes wrote:
>>>> Am Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:35:57 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>> On 11/11/2024 10:25 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>> Am Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:58:02 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>> On 11/11/2024 4:54 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-09 14:36:07 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>> On 11/9/2024 7:53 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> The actual computation itself does involve HHH emulating itself
>>>>>>> emulating DDD. To simply pretend that this does not occur seems
>>>>>>> dishonest.
>>>>>> Which is what you are doing: you pretend that DDD calls some other
>>>>>> HHH that doesn’t abort.
>>>>> DDD emulated by HHH does not reach its "return" instruction final
>>>>> halt state whether HHH aborts its emulation or not.
>>>> When DDD calls a simulator that aborts, that simulator returns to
>>>> DDD, which then halts.
>>> It is not the same DDD as the DDD under test.

What, then, is the DDD "under test"?

>> If the DDD under the test is not the same as DDD then the test is
>> performed incorrectly and the test result is not valid.
> The DDD under test IS THE INPUT DDD
Yes, exactly. In particular, the one that calls the aborting HHH.

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Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math:
It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.