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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: film.art@gmail.com (JanPB) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: E. Noether contra B. Carter Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2024 16:18:11 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <a0471517e47f3b15422996f86e638a0f@www.novabbs.com> References: <bf9ca72acb304865dcc1c4054f751c82@www.novabbs.com> <66EBD36E.681A@ix.netcom.com> <7d8182bc45020d55aab445a4cc174be5@www.novabbs.com> <66ECF6A7.2040@ix.netcom.com> <66EE6153.30B5@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3022523"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="PFHx4vNUwg4V82jPHNtC8poebHXhUv1vbEkgQ31MVis"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Posting-User: 029cc7f3dcda181726743e5c10521a3a9f5bbe97 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$ALdkHSCLoXKqcFgfuuEjhOo.7.oAuAbRBapJWTCM8vAdZRf1tgnfG Bytes: 2561 Lines: 54 On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 6:01:55 +0000, The Starmaker wrote: > The Starmaker wrote: >> >> JanPB wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 7:31:58 +0000, The Starmaker wrote: >>> >>> > JanPB wrote: >>> >> >>> [...] >>> > >>> > Your math is correct but doesn't seem to have any meaning. >>> >>> No geometric meaning (which I was hoping for). >> >> i see, you have your own approach to doings things no one else does.. > >> Also the P isn't standard and needs more clarification > > K = < r^2 gamma' - rho^2 P(gamma') , gamma' > OK, fair point. Surprisingly perhaps, the Kerr spacetime has an orthogonal moving frame almost everywhere (away from the usual suspects like the singular set and the horizons): e0 = (r^2 + a^2)@/@t + a @/@phi e1 = @/@r e2 = @/@theta e3 = a sin^2(theta) @/@t + @/@phi e2 and e3 are always spacelike while e0, e1 are always of the opposite causal character, so e0 and e1 span a Minkowski signature plane, called the principal plane. The P I used above denotes the orthogonal projection onto that plane. BTW, a geodesic is called principal if its tangent vector lies in the principal plane. EXERCISE. Let gamma be a timelike geodesic. Then: K = 0 if and only if gamma is a principal in the equatorial plane (theta = pi/2). > further more, there are too many errors for me to list them all... There are no errors. > you finally reached ...kooksville. Talk is cheap. -- Jan