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From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery)
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Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2025 21:35:20 +0000
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On Wed, 2 Apr 2025 17:42:55 +0000, Jordy wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 5:10:07 +0000, Jordy wrote:
>>> On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 4:59:41 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good choice, Jordy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The History of Modern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steven Watson seems to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have gotten most of his information) about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movement that took off around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> form can be traced back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Revolt" aka "Free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Versers".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> famous poets of this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rhythm/, that is [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expressed..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the new poets, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and vers librists, because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they championed the rise of free verse, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replaced fixed stanzas, meter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In addition, there were other distinctive factions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during 1910-1917 and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all fit under the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Revolt, the Free-Versers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Aldington
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amy Lowell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vacel Lindsay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harry Kemp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donald Evans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allen Norton
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Louise Norton
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> H.D.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mina Loy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> William Carlos Williams
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alfred Kreymborg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ezra Pound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sinclair Lewis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ping: Jordy:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm reading of another from that great generation of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poets, Octavio Paz:

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once"a man for far too many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and countrymen. Among other things..."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Will
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great to see you, my friend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bonjour Will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello there my friend, great to see you again tonight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hola Will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good afternoon again my friend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ciao Will
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello again my friend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a response to the post seen at:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=660625304#660625304
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>        Shalom Will
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Good morning again my friend.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>        Bonjour Will
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Great to see you again today, Jordy.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Hola Mr Will
>>>>
>>>> Good afternoon again my friend.
>>>
>>>      Ciao Will
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> Great to see your again my friend.
>
>        Shalom Will
>
> --

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