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Path: ...!news.misty.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes <noreply@example.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 10:19:25 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <a1d27f6c01179d9e48cd6fb1fdbc38a95108417c@i2pn2.org> References: <v644pn$29t4h$3@dont-email.me> <v68tvd$3ac9t$1@dont-email.me> <v68uj0$3ahel$1@dont-email.me> <v694k4$3bevk$1@dont-email.me> <v69502$3bh3f$1@dont-email.me> <v6b1k4$3odj5$1@dont-email.me> <v6bf7r$3qiio$2@dont-email.me> <v6bm5v$3rj8n$1@dont-email.me> <v6bmoe$3ri0l$2@dont-email.me> <v6bnt2$3rj8n$3@dont-email.me> <v6brfj$3skuk$2@dont-email.me> <v6c3vh$3ttem$1@dont-email.me> <v6c539$3u2mj$1@dont-email.me> <64b6a48b13e3b0739d79df538dca3e8d52c86f43@i2pn2.org> <v6cbe2$3v83p$1@dont-email.me> <bb01a6bddbf7ee29eee73cdcd7ddd4d0732218c1@i2pn2.org> <v6cboo$3v83p$2@dont-email.me> <83dab358cd413bbb48dd3791890d1b526b019e40@i2pn2.org> <v6cdk5$3viun$1@dont-email.me> <c320c5c5458ccce375c8dc694316c1c031332095@i2pn2.org> <v6cehc$3viun$2@dont-email.me> <ba1adc0f48c6d2930356b072815d6e17d9ccc9ad@i2pn2.org> <v6cfv7$13k$1@dont-email.me> <024d687a8f7fb00a6ff0ba883ccae61ba70003db@i2pn2.org> <v6chbl$13k$3@dont-email.me> <8a0dbc38d05e8cafcb53a1ddbc3605983b67e051@i2pn2.org> <v6ciqt$d3v$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 10:19:25 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2443409"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 3333 Lines: 34 Am Sat, 06 Jul 2024 18:09:16 -0500 schrieb olcott: > On 7/6/2024 5:49 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 7/6/24 6:44 PM, olcott wrote: >>> On 7/6/2024 5:23 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>> On 7/6/24 6:20 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 7/6/2024 5:16 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>> On 7/6/24 5:55 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>> On 7/6/2024 4:51 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>> On 7/6/24 5:40 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That requires HHH to report on what itself does before it does >>>>>>>>> this, >>>>>>>> Nope, because HHH is deterministic in behavior, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It cannot report on the effect of what it did before it does this >>>>>>> >>>>>> It MUST report on what it DOES. >>>>> >>>>> Exactly. That means that it cannot report on the effect of something >>>>> that it has not yet done. >>>>> >>>> But all of its behavior comes into existance at once. >> The program executes in sequence, but the BEHAVIOR, which the execution >> REVEALS is instantaneously created by determinism. >> > HHH must report on what it must do at a specific point in the execution > trace of its simulation of DDD. > You are insisting that HHH must report on what it will do as if it > already did this. That would make HHH a liar. Therefore it cannot report that it will run forever when it hasn’t simulated the abort yet. -- Am Fri, 28 Jun 2024 16:52:17 -0500 schrieb olcott: Objectively I am a genius.