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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: mhx@iae.nl (mhx) Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth Subject: Re: KISS 64-bit pseudo-random number generator Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2024 06:33:14 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <a5254f7a5f00a0133c24e70330dabc04@www.novabbs.com> References: <vblosf$292ru$1@dont-email.me> <7w7cblb9je.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <0d6fd7afead1708921d74f60970bcf62@www.novabbs.com> <2024Sep9.105514@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <vbqob3$384u0$1@dont-email.me> <vc06v4$l19j$1@dont-email.me> <vcfr7j$91t8$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2612704"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="t0bSWFIQDvYvkkhDiPIIv6byulC6WbSEwXWMJpxc4k0"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Posting-User: 59549e76d0c3560fb37b97f0b9407a8c14054f24 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$r/FJRg1jGbzpiaMX3mCip.plyubr23MiVyarw4ORDEBnKJyoK27Tu X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 2029 Lines: 21 On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 0:28:33 +0000, Krishna Myneni wrote: > On 9/12/24 21:10, Krishna Myneni wrote: [..] > A bit more involved test of the same 64-bit PRNGs starts to show the > possibility of defects in Marsaglia's 64-bit kiss prng (RAN-KISS) > compared to a simple 64-bit LCG prng (RANDOM). [..] I wonder if it is at all possible to really prove something about the PRNG *with tests of this type*. Intuition wants us to believe that the longer we run the simulation, the closer the result must match the expected outcome. Shouldn't we compute the probability that after a certain size run the result does NOT match the known result (given an ideal PRNG), or how unlikely it is that the result has a given error? Example: say the result of PRNG-a consistently has one of its bits (say bit 0) stuck at zero. Would the test under consideration detect this specific problem at all? -marcel