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From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery)
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Subject: Re: The Return of Michael Monkey
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2025 15:47:54 +0000
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On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 15:22:53 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 20:59:44 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 20:43:32 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 17:08:03 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 16:43:16 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 15:55:06 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 21:55:28 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 14:29:07 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain aka
>>>>>>> "HarryLime" wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 18:01:42 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 17:56:41 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain aka
>>>>>>>>> "HarryLime" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 17:42:27 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> MummyChunk wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again, why do you lie and misrepresent so much, monkey boy Michael
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pendragon?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just curious.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The problem with you is that you lie and misrepresent so much, Michael
>>>>>>>>>>> Pendragon.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That simply isn't true
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course I don't expect you to admit it, Pendragon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You know the rules, Donkey: PPSFU (Post Proof or Shut the Fuck Up).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any so-called "misrepresentation" you can find was based on one of
>>>>>>>> *your* posts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, so HarryLiar wants proof? Let's look at his next paragraph:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I only know you from what you post here, Donkey.  If you write a poem
>>>>>>>> based on a "romantic interlude" where you grope a woman you barely knew,
>>>>>>>> then I'm going to say that you sexually assaulted her (because according
>>>>>>>> to your poem, that's exactly what you did).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Harry Liar reposted an "edited" poem Will had written over 40 years ago
>>>>>>> about a dream he'd had. You reposted part of the poem, snipping the line
>>>>>>> about it being a dream, to falsely accuse him of sexual assault.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's the thread, so readers can see for themselves:
>>>>>>> https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=15788&group=rec.arts.poems#15788
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, George.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see that Harry Lime aka Michael Pendragon is bringing his attacks on
>>>>>> me here, spreading his lies and misrepresentations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Never mind the Harry Lime bullocks, here's the original unedited version
>>>>>> so the readers can decide for
>>>>>> themselves:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I Met A Girl
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I met a girl
>>>>>>>>>>>> she came from California.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It was in a dream
>>>>>>>>>>>> we knew each other instantly.
>>>>>>>>>>>> She was a little freckled girl
>>>>>>>>>>>> from out of
>>>>>>>>>>>> my high school past.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And she looked up at me
>>>>>>>>>>>> and talked real spacey.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've forgotten her name
>>>>>>>>>>>> though she told it to me twice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We talked
>>>>>>>>>>>> a really detached situation.
>>>>>>>>>>>> She said years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was so shy
>>>>>>>>>>>> she thought I was gay.
>>>>>>>>>>>> At this point I kissed her
>>>>>>>>>>>> and put my finger to her hole.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And she looked up at me
>>>>>>>>>>>> and talked real spacey.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have forgotten her name
>>>>>>>>>>>> though she told it to me twice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know why it was
>>>>>>>>>>>> that I would think of her.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I made a couple of puns
>>>>>>>>>>>> about her name that made me blush.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But her softness in tone
>>>>>>>>>>>> made me feel all right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> All I want to do
>>>>>>>>>>>> is get in contact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Will Dockery / May 8 1982
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, this poem was written in 1982, during my time in the Atlanta
>>>>>> Georgia New Wave punk rock scene, while also influenced by the earlier
>>>>>> Beatnik poets
>>>>>> I was reading at the time, such as Allen Ginsberg, Jack Kerouac and
>>>>>> Charles Bukowski among others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Both styles employed a sort of crude swagger in the tone and content
>>>>>> which I also used in many of my poems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, all apologies to those offended.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH and HAND, again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 😏
>>>>>
>>>>> And again, the poem is your attempt to recast what can only be seen as
>>>>> an act of  sexual assault (at least insofar as it's depicted in your
>>>>> poem) as a "romantic interlude" from you past.
>>>>
>>>> No, that's your attempt to misrepresent the meaning of my poem.
>>>>
>>>> HTH and HAND.
>>>
>>> The meaning of your poem (or any given poem) is derived from the words
>>> that comprise it.
>>>
>>> The meaning of your poem is quite clear.  It's just not the meaning
>>> you'd intended it to have.
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> That's your opinion, Harry.
>>
>> Others, including myself and George Dance, don't agree.
>
> Let's take it line by line, Donkey:
>
> "I met a girl
> she came from California."
>
> This is not a sentence, Donkey.  It is two short sentences that you've
> pasted together.
>
> The implication here is that you met her for the first time -- since
> you're telling us that she came from California, and you've never been
> beyond the states bordering Georgia.
>
> The second line can be read two ways: 1) she had been visiting
> California, or 2) she hailed from California.
>
> When you take the information from both lines together (even without
> trying to force them into a single sentence), it sounds like you just
> met a girl who hails from California.
>
> "It was in a dream
> we knew each other instantly."
>
> Again, this is not a sentence, but two short sentences that have been
> pasted together.
>
> It is a common phenomenon in dreams to "recognize" someone you've never
> seen before.  This is because the person symbolizes someone from your
> life (or is a combination of several people from your life).
>
> However, the only reason to say that you "knew each other instantly"
> would be if knowing each other would not have been expected.
>
> For instance, if you said that you General Zid at a bar, one would
> automatically assume that you "knew one another instantly."
>
> Generally speaking, when you know someone in real life, it's expected
> that you would recognize them on sight.
>
> Since you felt it necessary to tell us that you "knew each other on
> sight," we (as readers) have to conclude that the girl was someone you
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