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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!news2.arglkargh.de!news.karotte.org!news.szaf.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: b.schafer@ed.ac.uk (Burkhard) Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Old zircons Date: Tue, 14 May 2024 16:01:45 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <a5af9c3f389a1fa240b208139c0970a5@www.novabbs.com> References: <5adf5dff-ed13-4bd1-a88b-2cea26c4ad0c@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="1114"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Rocksolid Light To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Return-Path: <news@i2pn2.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 92F63229786; Tue, 14 May 2024 12:07:05 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59034229767 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Tue, 14 May 2024 12:07:03 -0400 (EDT) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.97) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtp (envelope-from <news@i2pn2.org>) id 1s6ugK-00000003HRL-1MIW; Tue, 14 May 2024 18:07:12 +0200 id 75FF359803B; Tue, 14 May 2024 16:05:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Injection-Info: ; posting-account="LbPG16p6FojJAbgwefzCbJcb/oIJZdpglOXtSR68uO0"; X-Rslight-Posting-User: fa01bdcbb842461c7a59775e46dff884d09136ae X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$VSN3jxB45RzT/d./kSDsh.5kHNKIJqdY8iXYdG8mBcOuV4YiczGd2 Bytes: 4532 Lines: 47 erik simpson wrote: > Ancient crystals suggest early Earth had land and freshwater > "The zircons represent a rare report from the mysterious Hadean, the > geological time period that ended about 4 billion years ago, 500 million > years after Earth’s formation. The planet, originally a ball of magma, > had cooled off and formed a crust. Somehow, perhaps from a bombardment > of water-rich asteroids, it had accumulated a global ocean. Earth may > have remained watery for quite some time—at least until tectonic > processes began to recycle Earth’s crust into its interior, and magma > bubbled up in chains of island volcanoes that eventually fused into > continents. > Much of this is guesswork, because almost no rock survives from the > Hadean. The oldest rock with a reliable age—a gneiss from Canada—is 4.03 > billion years old. The only surviving material from before then are > zircons, found embedded in younger rock, which are as much as 4.4 > billion years old. “Just about any information that we can get from > these Hadean zircons is useful because it’s our singular record of the > Earth’s first 500 million years,” says geologist Stephen Mojzsis of the > HUN-REN Research Centre for Astronomy and Earth Sciences." > https://www.science.org/content/article/ancient-crystals-suggest-early-earth-had-land-and-freshwater very interesting, thanks! The only thing I know about zircon is something about its etymology - a rare example of a doublette. "Jagoon" in English is both a type of zircon, and also a term for fake jewelry sold as genuine. It came to English via French "jargon", which got it from Italian giargone, which got it from Persian "zarqūn". The same Persian word was used by the German mineralogist Abraham Gottlob Werner to create "Zirkon" and "Zirkonium", which then also made its way into English (and lots of other languages). Weber was the father of German geology (and honorary fellow of the Royal Society of Edinburgh...)and had developed an early theory about the stratification of the Earth's crust - also a promotor of the now obsolete Neptunian theory. To link this with another thread, he was also a sort of Linnaeus for mineralogy and developed a comprehensive system how to identify and classify them. As a side result, he also developed his own color nomenclature, that matched colors with specimen from flora, fauna and minerals. It was massively influential also among artists, especially when in 1814, the Scottish painter Patrick Syme published an amended translation as "Werner's Nomenclature of Colours" in Edinburgh. A certain Charles Darwin read it as a student here, who was deeply impressed and used it later extensively in his notes and reports.