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From: John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: An offensive defense
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2025 07:25:08 +0700
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On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 12:32:54 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/5/2025 12:22 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Feb 2025 16:39:22 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Wed Feb 5 08:36:39 2025 AMuzi  wrote:
>>>> https://nypost.com/2025/02/05/sports/driver-says-nhl-star-johnny-gaudreau-and-his-brother-had-been-drinking-before-fatal-accident/
>>>
>>> They could call that the "Liebermann defense". Jeff alleges that he is never wrong,
>> 
>> That's not what I said.  I said that YOU were always wrong (with a few
>> minor exceptions).  When describing myself, I indicated that I have
>> made a few mistakes and usually apologized to the group for making
>> mistakes.
>> 
>>> just as a drunk driver is claiming that his crimial act of driving drunk is not a crime if others are also doing it legally on vehicles that do not offer a danger to others.
>> 
>> What manner of vehicles "do not offer a danger to others" when
>> operated by an intoxicated driver?  I hope you don't mean a self
>> driving car, where blaming the car for accidents has not succeeded in
>> the courts.
>> 
>> "Drinking and Self-Driving Cars"
>> <https://ggrmlawfirm.com/blog/personal-injury/auto-accidents/drinking-and-self-driving-cars/>
>> "There is no exception for drunk driving and driverless cars."
>
>
>
> > What manner of vehicles "do not offer a danger to others"
>
>The dead brothers were on bicycles which make less mayhem on 
>impact (F=MA and all that).

I assume that the argument will be that as they were drunk they MIGHT
have dome something wrong that caused the collision... and the Judge
will allow it.

-- 
Cheers,

John B.