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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!news.tomockey.net!news.samoylyk.net!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1 --- STA Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 22:55:12 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <a8392a63b405c294f22e7702336d0ae8b043e6e0@i2pn2.org> References: <vrfuob$256og$1@dont-email.me> <vsc6qi$27lbo$2@dont-email.me> <8a3e7e93e6cad20b29d23405a0e6dbd497a492ac@i2pn2.org> <vscegq$2fv3s$2@dont-email.me> <26f33bb039fda7d28ae164cfc4d0f582d4698f31@i2pn2.org> <vsclsb$2n4jc$1@dont-email.me> <36a4c76730b23cf78ddde73c723116b5380973a1@i2pn2.org> <vsctnm$2ub5m$2@dont-email.me> <4285ea3219a2d5f2d6c52e84697fa4e3d3dc80cb@i2pn2.org> <vsd18m$379dn$1@dont-email.me> <vsdjff$3o5ff$1@dont-email.me> <vsem50$th5g$3@dont-email.me> <77c20f5832db4b47f5226dcb39bd2be7ba107a0c@i2pn2.org> <vsf8tv$1i673$2@dont-email.me> <5cb726749c8a7457af5da692f77c6a04bc0c7401@i2pn2.org> <vsfdqb$1m8qr$2@dont-email.me> <733db53c4b67cf1fbbd45fdf503b1d27539b7414@i2pn2.org> <vsfigf$1r8rb$2@dont-email.me> <bf1e010d6259a4e5e1118f51856f3c72a0094b34@i2pn2.org> <vsht8v$90ss$6@dont-email.me> <524b81bf3658a42bcba56f807fce28bfea67d36f@i2pn2.org> <vsi7tk$jd38$4@dont-email.me> <2091bfab5343fe2b078047972ac95b079504b2ab@i2pn2.org> <vsks9j$378kj$10@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2025 03:04:53 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2897382"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vsks9j$378kj$10@dont-email.me> Bytes: 4495 Lines: 76 On 4/2/25 10:37 PM, olcott wrote: > On 4/2/2025 6:16 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 4/1/25 10:37 PM, olcott wrote: >>> On 4/1/2025 8:13 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>> On 4/1/25 7:35 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 4/1/2025 5:36 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>> On 3/31/25 10:19 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Simulating termination analyzer Principle* >>>>>>> It is always correct for any simulating termination >>>>>>> analyzer to stop simulating and reject any input >>>>>>> that would otherwise prevent its own termination. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> But DDD doesn't prevent its own terminatation, as it calls an HHH >>>>>> that WILL abort its emulation and return and answer. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You know that DDD stopping running and DDD reaching its >>>>> final halt state are not the same thing you damned liar. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Right, the DDD who's simulation is stopped hasn't shown non-halting >>>> behavior, just not-yet-halted. >>>> >>> >>> You already admitted that you are lying about this. >>> DDD emulated by HHH for an infinite number of steps >>> never reaches its final halt state. >> >> But that isn't something that happens with THIS HHH, since it doesn't >> do that. >> > > > When DDD emulated by HHH for an infinite number of steps > never halts then as soon as HHH correctly infers this it > has its basis to reject DDD. > But your HHH doesn't emulated DDD for an infinite number of steps, that is just another machine you deceptivly try to call by the same name. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_induction And induction needs to be based on sound proofs. Not proofs based on false assumptions. > > DDD emulated by HHH does not reach its final halt state > with a single emulation of DDD by HHH. Because HHH stops early. > > DDD emulated by HHH does not reach its final halt state > with N recursive emulations of HHH emulating itself emulating DDD. Which doesn't prove anything, > > Therefore > DDD emulated by HHH does not reach its final halt state > and can be rejected as non-halting. > > No because that isn't the definition of non-halting, and you are just proving that you don't understand what you are talking about, but that you think it is ok to just lie. Partial emulations not reaching a final state don't indicate non-halting, and changing the input invaldites your logic. Sorry, you are just proving you are just an ignorant stupid pathological liar.