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From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery)
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Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2025 21:43:07 +0000
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On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 14:46:09 +0000, Jordy wrote:

> On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 21:35:20 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 5:10:07 +0000, Jordy wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 4:59:41 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good choice, Jordy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The History of Modern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steven Watson seems to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have gotten most of his information) about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movement that took off around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> form can be traced back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Revolt" aka "Free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Versers".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> famous poets of this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rhythm/, that is [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expressed..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the new poets, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and vers librists, because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they championed the rise of free verse, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replaced fixed stanzas, meter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In addition, there were other distinctive factions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during 1910-1917 and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all fit under the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Revolt, the Free-Versers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Aldington
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amy Lowell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vacel Lindsay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harry Kemp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donald Evans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allen Norton
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Louise Norton
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> H.D.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mina Loy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> William Carlos Williams
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alfred Kreymborg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ezra Pound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sinclair Lewis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ping: Jordy:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm reading of another from that great generation of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poets, Octavio Paz:
>>
>> https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once"a man for far too many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and countrymen. Among other things..."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Will
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great to see you, my friend.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bonjour Will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello there my friend, great to see you again tonight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hola Will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good afternoon again my friend.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ciao Will
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello again my friend.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a response to the post seen at:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=660625304#660625304
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        Shalom Will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good morning again my friend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>        Bonjour Will
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Great to see you again today, Jordy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Hola Mr Will
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good afternoon again my friend.
>>>>>
>>>>>      Ciao Will
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Great to see your again my friend.
>>>
>>>        Shalom Will
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> Hello there my friend
>
>         Bonjour Will
>
> --

Good afternoon again Jordy.